I remember being a ST for a nWoD/Scion chat known as Legendary Deeds.  I was doing werewolf at the time.  Hell only reason I did it was because there werewolf venue was dying out as there was no ST for that venue in the chat.  So after saving that venue I had a couple of new guys showing up.

My advice for them?  Follow the basic tenant which is fun > setting/story > and rules are dead last.  Fuckers thought I was insane and I should obey all the rules in the book.  Even the rules that go against the other rules.

So to say the least when they eventually replace me the werewolf venue died again.  Sure some people thought the new ST "saved" the venue, but actual results beg to differ.  When I was on werewolf was not only surviving, but it was thriving.  When I left werewolf quickly died out.

Banality seemed pretentious to me.

Quote from: The Butcher;790229I must have read WoD books from some parallel timeline because I don't recall a single line putting down non-WoD gamers.

So, for just one example, you haven't read the GM section of the nWod book?

Quote from: RPGPundit;790439So, for just one example, you haven't read the GM section of the nWod book?

jan paparazzi produced a paragraph putting down other games. Do you really want to fault a product for marketing itself?

Claims of "art"? Pretentious, yes, but not significantly more so than the 1e DMG with its turgid prose and condescending capitalizations.

But I have yet to see a single sentence doing what you and a few others claim — criticising gamers.

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My advice for them?  Follow the basic tenant which is fun > setting/story > and rules are dead last.  Fuckers thought I was insane and I should obey all the rules in the book.  Even the rules that go against the other rules.

That's kinda odd. If there is a game where you just make up a roll on the fly, it's nWoD. I do it all the time. Just roll something + anything and add/substract 3 dice.

Quote from: The Butcher;790495jan paparazzi produced a paragraph putting down other games. Do you really want to fault a product for marketing itself?

Claims of "art"? Pretentious, yes, but not significantly more so than the 1e DMG with its turgid prose and condescending capitalizations.

But I have yet to see a single sentence doing what you and a few others claim — criticising gamers.

That was out of the GM chapter of the nWoD. To me this isn't really the big issue. If it bother me I skip it. I do think the scene by scene way of GM'ing is the worst advice you can give to a GM. Very contrived.

Ok, big cliché. It's all about the gamers. Sure. But still something sticks with the people that read the books. You never see a tactical combat grid in a WoD game for example. Because it isn't promoted in the books.

Quote from: Will;790310Banality seemed pretentious to me.

In principle it represented the real horror of the Changeling approach to the World of Darkness- not political corruption or apocalypse, but the psychological grinding down of losing your dreams under the pressure of real life and becoming "normal."  In the Players' Guide they called it "The Horror of Loss."
In practice, of course, it bogged down in issues of whether stuff like technology and modernism were necessarily Banal because a. WoD once again had not properly defined their concepts, and b. there was at least a lingering dose of oWoD's typical pomo collegiate "Science BAD!" dogma involved.

JG

When I ran and wrote for Changeling, my personal guide to Banality was "Would this character be a dick villain in a Roald Dahl book? If so, then Banal."

Not so surprisingly, this strategy works like a charm.

P. S. I remember writing the NPCs and Treasures for Inanimae and deliberately putting in non-Renfair characters and items (the manikin version of Mr. Punch as John Travolta's character from Pulp Fiction, the air elemental jazz clarinetist from New Orleans, the fire elemental worker from the Pittsburgh steel mills, the dryad who was Johnny Appleseed's muse, the leaf that stored data as though it were a ZIP drive, etc.). When the final book came out, it was clear that I was in the minority of the writing staff.

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