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« Reply #45 on: January 14, 2016, 03:47:25 AM »
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Note that d20 as a trademark is declared as product identity which is interesting.

That's probably to make it clear that you're OK to use the conventional dice code when referring to a D20.
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« Reply #46 on: January 14, 2016, 03:48:16 AM »
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I feel people who got into the OSR in search of rules-lighter-than-3e/PF/4e have probably already adopted 5e, and if they write and share their gaming material, they'll likely do so under the SRD and/or the DM's Guild.

But those who got into old school D&D for the playstyle will mostly stick around, and I dare say they make up the majority of OSR creators.

There's more than one OSR playstyle - I think eg 'Fantasy Fucking Vietnam' enthusiast players are not attracted to 5e, but they're not a huge number of players. Other playstyles such as Gonzo and Palaces & Princesses work well with 5e, and you're likely to see 3rd party products for them, I hope (I run a P&P style Mentzer Classic D&D campaign that could well work in 5e, for instance, as well as a gonzo-ish sword & sorcery 5e campaign).

I guess there are some 5e elements such as easy healing & routine spellcasting that will always deter OSR players. The discussions of 5e in the Dragonsfoot 'Other Games' forum are enlightening re what old-D&D fans want & don't want.

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« Reply #47 on: January 14, 2016, 03:53:17 AM »
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This is the relevant section from the OGL

So looking at the SRD5 the term 'SRD5' is not declared as product identity. so we are good on that. SRD5 is probably not a trademark so the next section doesn't apply. So looks like you are good to go with saying your book is compatible with SRD5.

Note that d20 as a trademark is declared as product identity which is interesting.


Presumably you can call it "5e" ok within the terms of the OGL? And refer to the "5e SRD?" Neither feature in the designated PI list of the 5e SRD http://media.wizards.com/2016/downloads/SRD-OGL_V1.1.pdf - and the list seems to be the same as in 2000?

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« Reply #48 on: January 14, 2016, 07:06:32 AM »
The rot being trotted out about this is remarkable.

It's a great move by Wizards and far more than most people expected, i reckon.

I almost guarantee that folk who use the DM Guild to publish their own material will make more money using that than they'd ever dream of making by self-publishing off their own back, even with the increased 'agent' fee that wizards are taking. Not only that, but your work might even be used officially in future (sure you don't get paid for that, but what do you want, the moon on a stick?) and will also put your work in the shop window for the multitudes of RPG folk who will peruse that venue for ideas and new authors to work with.

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« Reply #49 on: January 14, 2016, 07:17:21 AM »
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That's probably to make it clear that you're OK to use the conventional dice code when referring to a D20.


right, but what I meant was I found it interesting that they even included the trademark as product identity.

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« Reply #50 on: January 14, 2016, 10:00:17 AM »
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Presumably you can call it "5e" ok within the terms of the OGL? And refer to the "5e SRD?" Neither feature in the designated PI list of the 5e SRD http://media.wizards.com/2016/downloads/SRD-OGL_V1.1.pdf - and the list seems to be the same as in 2000?


For everyone who is confused: "Dungeons & Dragons" is a brand name and trademark that other commercial publishers cannot use without a license from Wizards of the Coast. "Fifth Edition Compatible" is the generic equivalent that anyone can use and already had before the SRD came out and will continue to do so.
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« Reply #51 on: January 14, 2016, 01:34:29 PM »
I could really get behind this if they'd include 1e and OD&D (and...yes...even 2e) in the OGL but they won't.  And that sucks.
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« Reply #52 on: January 14, 2016, 04:35:26 PM »
Are we sure the DM's Guild is PDF only?

Doesn't OBS usually offer POD as an option?


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I almost guarantee that folk who use the DM Guild to publish their own material will make more money using that than they'd ever dream of making by self-publishing off their own back, even with the increased 'agent' fee that wizards are taking.


Maybe, but I am unsure.  Let's say you sell 100 PDFs for $10.

DM's Guild
That's $500 for you, $250 for WotC and $250 for OBS.
To make $750, you would need to see 150 PDFs.
Is the DM's guild really going to result in 50% more sales???

VS.

Self-Publishing
You sell 100 PDFs on KS or OBS and you keep $750 (or more), and you keep control of your creation. You also can sell POD and dead tree.

I absolutely see the value for people who want to make Forgotten Realms stuff, but I see less value for people who want to make D&D stuff.

Maybe I am wrong, but I don't see how the online PDF buying community is suddenly going to expand due to the DM's Guild.

OBS already has its preview option so nobody needs to be surprised by the quality of a PDF since they can usually read a few pages and see some art before they make a purchase.


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Not only that, but your work might even be used officially in future (sure you don't get paid for that, but what do you want, the moon on a stick?)


Fanboys will happily shove the moon on a stick up their ass, but established authors may not want to risk that scheme - especially if their work could be then translated into more profitable mediums - novels, videogames, etc - without compensation.


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For all my complaints about Org Play adventures, it's an opportunity to pitch how I think LFR could be better and see if the market likes it.


THIS is where I see the DM's Guild value. It would allow for different views and takes on FR canon.

The DM's Guild reminds me a lot of Kindle Worlds.

If you're not familiar with Kindle Worlds, its a program where you can write your own "fanfic" in a licensed world such as Vampire Diaries, GI Joe, etc. and be published on Kindle. You get 20% or 35% (based on word count) and the rest goes to the Rights Holder and Amazon.

It's permission to play in someone else's playground and make some dimes. Apparently, its doing okay for Amazon and several established authors claim to be enjoying writing for Kindle Worlds properties.


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I've seen a couple of posts predicting the death of the OSR movement now that people can licence 5e.


Doubtful.

We are already seeing publishers multi-statting their products for OSR, Pathfinder and "Fifth Edition Fantasy" and that will continue.

Will there be less just OSR stuff? Maybe, but not notably.


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You will probably lose a lot of the shovelware, like the one page, 99 cent classes or handful of magic items.


The shovelware guys are going to flood the DM's Guild, and that makes total sense for them. Micro-purchases (aka $1.00 or $1.99, etc) are a good bet.

I just got THIS email 15 minutes ago:

The Le Game is happy to announce it's first 5e Compatible product!
Enchanted Armory: Magical Weapons contains 13 magic weapons for your 5e campaign! As a bonus, we've included 3 bonus magic items!

As a previous The Le Games customer, you can use this special coupon to get Magical Weapons for just $1.00! That's 50% off the MSRP! Hurry! this coupon code expires Saturday!

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« Reply #53 on: January 14, 2016, 04:46:10 PM »
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The 5E version of Thule was successfully kickstarted a few months ago. The  hardcovers were shipped just before Christmas. There will also be a GMs supplement and a player's supplement - both in softcover. The pdf for the GM companion went out last month and the Player's Companion should come out sometime very soon.


The GM Companion PDF was released? I'm a backer and didn't see anything about this....hmmm...

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« Reply #54 on: January 14, 2016, 05:01:45 PM »
Here are some interesting bits to consider:

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Content Guideline

When you create your own title for the Dungeon Masters Guild, you get access to a hoard of resources. Your work can use any of the fifth edition D&D rules published by Wizards of the Coast, plus decades of published material for the Forgotten Realms setting. Additionally, Wizards of the Coast and OneBookShelf will from time to time make additional resources such as stock art, template cover designs, template stat blocks, and other such assets available on the DMsGuild.com site for you to freely use in your Dungeon Masters Guild titles.


THIS is interesting for people whose focus is Forgotten Realms. It appears that you can access ALL of FR's canon in your derivative work.

Moreover, the additional assets are going to help lower the barrier to entry.


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Can I sell my Dungeon Masters Guild title in print as well as PDF?

Yes, you can sell your title through OneBookShelf’s print-on-demand program, as well as in PDF.


Interesting.


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How do art and maps work? Can I provide my own? Limitations?

You’re free to choose from the library of art and maps that we’ll be providing, or you can create or commission your own. Paying for art and maps that you commission is your responsibility. All such art and maps must also adhere to our content guidelines and Community Content Agreement.


"library of art and maps" - WOW. That's a nice option for authors and significantly hammering down the barrier to entry.


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Does Wizards own any unique IP that I create in my publications?

Wizards does not own any of the unique IP that you create in your publications. Wizards does own the IP that they contribute, plus the agreement will grant Wizards and other DMs Guild authors a license to use your IP. That said, if your work merits incorporation into “canon,” Wizards will contact you about purchasing your IP outright.

What does it mean to be selected by the Dungeons & Dragons team at Wizards? What can your content be selected for?

You could be selected for any number of things. They include, but are not limited to… publication in an official Wizards product; inclusion in DLC or even main storylines for one of the games created by our digital partners; etc.


There are some wording issues with the above statements. I am unsure how "selected" is different than "purchasing your IP outright" - if they are the same thing, then WotC is offering a BETTER DEAL than Kindle Worlds.

We will see.

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« Reply #55 on: January 14, 2016, 08:58:05 PM »
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The shovelware guys are going to flood the DM's Guild, and that makes total sense for them. Micro-purchases (aka $1.00 or $1.99, etc) are a good bet.

I just got THIS email 15 minutes ago:

The Le Game is happy to announce it's first 5e Compatible product!
Enchanted Armory: Magical Weapons contains 13 magic weapons for your 5e campaign! As a bonus, we've included 3 bonus magic items!

As a previous The Le Games customer, you can use this special coupon to get Magical Weapons for just $1.00! That's 50% off the MSRP! Hurry! this coupon code expires Saturday!


That reminds me, I need to make my "Teh Ultimate R0Xorz Class Items!!1!1!Eleven!" Shovelware Item Splat.

Dunno who buys this shit. But obviously at a dollar a pop these businesses are still at it for d20/PF all these years. Must be plenty of empty headed numpties about who "just gotta win 'let's pretend to be an elf!' games."

In it I'm going to have things like:

I Just Won, The Sword - Usable only by fighters. All magic users who oppose your any thought or action disintegrate immediately, no save, no reactions. Also, you just kill everything whenever you want to and if the GM says 'no' just point out that this weapon says that they are wrong.

'OMG Who Farted?' Cape - Usable only by bards and Illusionist specialist wizards. Look at someone with the stank eye, like their booty just exploded, and comment about the smell of flatulence. An odiferous illusion emanates from your target, giving them disadvantage on CHA skill checks.

Stole It All Already, The Boots - Usable only by Rogues. These boots come with 3 charges. Whenever a great treasure hoard is mentioned and you don't want to bother use a charge from these boots and just have all that treasure already. Recharges requires a stolen precious object of another, including those of sentimental nature (such as a child's doll).


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« Reply #56 on: January 15, 2016, 08:01:57 AM »
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The GM Companion PDF was released? I'm a backer and didn't see anything about this....hmmm...


I received my email re the GM Companion and two of the stretch goal adventures on 12/7 and was able to download them both the next day. If you already have a digital bundle associated with DTRPG, it should be there.

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« Reply #57 on: January 15, 2016, 12:37:50 PM »
How likely is it that this would be a Paizo killer?

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« Reply #58 on: January 15, 2016, 12:56:41 PM »
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How likely is it that this would be a Paizo killer?


Not at all. My information is incomplete and my opinion is mostly based on hunches, but bear with me for a moment.

First, I'm not sure how much of their revenue is tied to the Pathfinder RPG product line.  Paizo's branched out early on, with boardgames and novels and stuff, not to mention a well-stocked online store that sells more than their own product.

Second, Pathfinder is has a loyal constituency (no idea how big) that, at least as seen from the outside, doesn't seem particularly involved with creating and distributing DIY/fan material. Conversely, 5e's drawn a bunch of people from the OSR (a movement in great part defined by its DIY attitude) back into the official D&D fold, and the DM's Guild caters to these people, big time.

Third, if there's been a migration of Pathfinder customers over to WotC with 5e, it's probably already happened.

So, IMHO, I don't think the DM's Guild will further impact Paizo's business by much.

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« Reply #59 on: January 15, 2016, 12:56:55 PM »
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How likely is it that this would be a Paizo killer?


Not likely.  There may have been some PF-to-5e attrition ("returners" or whatever), but they've already shifted.  This change alone isn't enough to break Paizo.
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