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Author Topic: 5e Essentials Kit "married Gnome Kings" co-ruling  (Read 35694 times)

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« Reply #15 on: September 07, 2019, 02:48:28 PM »
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My own slightly paranoid theory? If you don't approve of LGBTQ+ sexual acts, they don't want you playing the game.

I feel like they really don't care what we think, provided we're buying their product. They might also feel that a more inclusive approach opens up a wider (younger) audience. They sort of need that to perpetuate the hobby. If they're pandering to a certain audience, and the audience is paying for it because they like it, then that's what they'll do. But really, I wouldn't know their rationale. I haven't bought any 5E materials yet, outside spell cards (which continue to gather dust to this day). I'm not avoiding 5E due to their stance on inclusivity, though. I just prefer other games. I think they're better served just producing a good, strong game, rather than making any political statements beyond the fact that the company does not discriminate, but it's not my company to run, so...
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« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2019, 03:01:02 PM »
I don't really see what the big deal is about having a gay couple or whatever in a game. They're not driving it down your throat, right? It's just part of the game. How is it different than them being elves or something?

It doesn't make sense to say it wasn't historically that way because this is Forgotten Realms, not Medieval Europe. It's already high fantasy af.

And if you don't like it in your game just say they're brothers, like was suggested.
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« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2019, 03:07:17 PM »
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My own slightly paranoid theory? If you don't approve of LGBTQ+ sexual acts, they don't want you playing the game.


I'm pretty sure they would be happy to confirm your theory. Soon as I heard "D&D is For Everyone" I knew what that meant. :D

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« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2019, 03:47:26 PM »
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My own slightly paranoid theory? If you don't approve of LGBTQ+ sexual acts, they don't want you playing the game.


Yeah, it's starting to look like the major RPG companies are quickly forging a path in that direction.
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« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2019, 04:01:47 PM »
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My own slightly paranoid theory? If you don't approve of LGBTQ+ sexual acts, they don't want you playing the game.


Grow the fuck up.

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« Reply #20 on: September 07, 2019, 04:13:45 PM »
I don't care that they are homosexual. I don't like the idea of co-kings. IMO, one should be king and the other his consort or have some similar title because its a monarchy. I also don't particularly care for gnomes or the Forgotten Realms, so those parts matter grate on me far more than the male/male relationship.

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« Reply #21 on: September 07, 2019, 05:46:43 PM »
To me, this acting like homosexuality never existed in history before now is silly.

Lots of kings and queens were gay (or bisexual). They still married the opposite sex because the point was to have children, uniting political dynasties.  This actually gave rise to a lot of court politics, and male kings would often take male lovers and give them more and more power/wealth, which pissed off the rest of the country.

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« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2019, 06:35:01 PM »
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To me, this acting like homosexuality never existed in history before now is silly.

Lots of kings and queens were gay (or bisexual). They still married the opposite sex because the point was to have children, uniting political dynasties.  This actually gave rise to a lot of court politics, and male kings would often take male lovers and give them more and more power/wealth, which pissed off the rest of the country.

Yeah, it would be nice to see a realistic plot like that some time.

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« Reply #23 on: September 07, 2019, 08:19:54 PM »
WotC's agenda is crystal clear. If you want to support their cram-politics-in-gaming "woke" agenda, continue to give WotC your money, your time and your effort.

If you don't support their agenda, there are 100s of other RPGs to play.

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« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2019, 08:42:53 PM »
The 5e Starter Set is damn near perfect so of course WOTC is going to change it.
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« Reply #25 on: September 07, 2019, 08:43:18 PM »
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Just when I think the D & D 5E Essentials Kit appears to be a great introductory product for the hobby; I discover that once again, you are invited to eat a bowl of frosted homo flakes for breakfast.

Why does WOTC feel the need to stuff this crap into their products?  Are they secretly trying to out-Paizo, Paizo?



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« Reply #26 on: September 07, 2019, 09:03:18 PM »
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I don't really see what the big deal is about having a gay couple or whatever in a game. They're not driving it down your throat, right? It's just part of the game. How is it different than them being elves or something?


As with most SJW nonsense. The problem isnt the fact that there is a gay couple in a book. It is the fact that it is in the book to push an agenda.

Nobody would really care most likely if it were just there because the designer thought it was interesting or fit the situation.

Its like back in the 80s and 90s the push to have handicapped people in various shows where they really do not quite work. But are there because it was it was mandated to be politically correct.

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« Reply #27 on: September 07, 2019, 09:30:31 PM »
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I don't really see what the big deal is about having a gay couple or whatever in a game. They're not driving it down your throat, right? It's just part of the game. How is it different than them being elves or something?

It doesn't make sense to say it wasn't historically that way because this is Forgotten Realms, not Medieval Europe. It's already high fantasy af.

And if you don't like it in your game just say they're brothers, like was suggested.

I agree.

And even if you think it is Medieval Europe, well in Medieval Europe divorce was not allowed. Until a king decided it was, and a religion split over it, and civil war ensued. Which seems...perfectly in line with this scenario if you wanted it to be.

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« Reply #28 on: September 07, 2019, 09:32:56 PM »
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The 5e Starter Set is damn near perfect so of course WOTC is going to change it.

This isn't the starter set. Different thing.

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« Reply #29 on: September 07, 2019, 09:34:17 PM »
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The 5e Starter Set is damn near perfect so of course WOTC is going to change it.

I've been thinking of buying the Essentials box. Is the Starter Set better?