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[4e] Straight from WotC . . . you gotta read this.

Started by 1989, August 14, 2009, 11:04:57 PM

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The Shaman

#90
August 17, 2009, 12:07:33 PM
Quote from: Evansheer;321396Before anyone else goes labeling the Penny Arcade guys as shills, they should know that they are the same guys who let Paizo use one of their creations for free, to stat it up for one of their Pathfinder products and make it OGC material.
I'm guessing someone somewhere is supposed to think this is impressive.
On weird fantasy: "The Otus/Elmore rule: When adding something new to the campaign, try and imagine how Erol Otus would depict it. If you can, that\'s far enough...it\'s a good idea. If you can picture a Larry Elmore version...it\'s far too mundane and boring, excise immediately." - Kellri, K&K Alehouse

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Fifth Element

#91
August 17, 2009, 03:01:11 PM
Quote from: Sigmund;321000You like 4e, you don't mind the strategy guide bullshit, fine. That doesn't mean the rest of us can't express opinions on it. Don't like it, get the fuck out of the thread.
That doesn't mean the rest of us can't express opinions about your opinions, etc, etc.
Iain Fyffe

SunBoy

#92
August 18, 2009, 04:40:36 AM
Quote from: Captain Rufus;321347SPOILERS:  in Changeling you are effectively humans who were abused which made you a Changeling and you escaped from a mixture of heaven and hell.  The people who did this to you were subjected to the same thing you were.  They just got powerful.  You return and basically fuck up doing all the Machiavellian bullshit that ruins the entire gamut of White Wolf RPGs.  And many proceed to then perpetuate the cycle of abuse heaped on them.  Just like in our real world, so many victims of abuse then abuse someone else usually in exactly the same way instead of saying NO MORE.  WHAT HAPPENS TO ME HAPPENS TO NOBODY ELSE, IT ENDS NOW, they do it to others.  )

And here I was thinking how Changeling was the WW game I enjoyed the most, 'cause you get to play fairies with cool powers... So all the times I was playing that satyr I was actually portraying the psychologically fucked up abusive cycle of a rapist?

Dude... I'm sorry, but sticking to the "cool fairies" is way more fun to me...
"Real randomness, I\'ve discovered, is the result of two or more role-players interacting"

Erick Wujcik, 2007

Thanlis

#93
August 18, 2009, 07:22:24 AM
Quote from: SunBoy;321664And here I was thinking how Changeling was the WW game I enjoyed the most, 'cause you get to play fairies with cool powers... So all the times I was playing that satyr I was actually portraying the psychologically fucked up abusive cycle of a rapist?

Dude... I'm sorry, but sticking to the "cool fairies" is way more fun to me...

Paging someone to explain to this young lad the terrible tyranny of fun!

SunBoy

#94
August 19, 2009, 02:03:59 AM
Thanks, but I think I'll pass.
"Real randomness, I\'ve discovered, is the result of two or more role-players interacting"

Erick Wujcik, 2007

Benoist

#95
August 19, 2009, 02:28:22 AM
Quote from: SunBoy;321664And here I was thinking how Changeling was the WW game I enjoyed the most, 'cause you get to play fairies with cool powers... So all the times I was playing that satyr I was actually portraying the psychologically fucked up abusive cycle of a rapist?

Dude... I'm sorry, but sticking to the "cool fairies" is way more fun to me...
I like both games. Changeling the Dreaming is cool in its own right, with the "cool fairies", the different courts, the banality, and all that... it's a much more light-hearted Vampire with the politics more or less kept intact. It's a cool game.

But man, Changeling the Lost is great too. It's a completely different approach, much darker, much more horrific, but it's also much closer to the original meaning of what a changeling's supposed to be in folklore. It provides a completely new and different game, and it's no surprise to me to see it associated with Promethean the Created for the best game of the new WoD (I think Promethean is even more genuinely new - it's less playable out of the gate, but I consider it to be an absolute gem of a game).

Captain Rufus

#96
August 19, 2009, 04:07:54 AM
Im not saying that Changeling is a bad game, but one way to intepret it is how many people play it.

Of course the way many people play WW games is part of the problem as I mentioned, though in Changeling's case (as mentioned) it sort of works in a kind of sad and depressing look at human psychology.
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