Quote from: LordVreeg;390019Exactly how it should be done; but Peregrin's point still stands...

I see what happened, I started my post with a 'but'.  It looked like I was contradicting, but I was actually clarifying or extending his point.  My bad, sorry about that.

We are in agreement, in other words.  

Quote from: RandallS;389902I've used such a system before (in an attempt to speed up combat). Everything did average damage.  It worked fine, but might not be "interesting enough" for some players in a game where combat played a more central role than it did in mine.

I don't think this exactly falls under the banner of a "rational" observation...

But there's just something satisfying about rolling a handful of damage dice.

Quote from: Shazbot79;390159But there's just something satisfying about rolling a handful of damage dice.

Some of my players then thought so as well, although they didn't really seem to miss it as much as they thought they would. I got far less flack over it that I thought I would. I was surprised.

Quote from: RandallS;390167Some of my players then thought so as well, although they didn't really seem to miss it as much as they thought they would. I got far less flack over it that I thought I would. I was surprised.

I can see the utility of it...it would definitely speed up combat. Though in my experience, gamers tend to develop the ability to add up dice pretty quickly.

Quote from: Shazbot79;390159But there's just something annoying about rolling a handful of damage dice.

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Quote from: Shazbot79;390178I can see the utility of it...it would definitely speed up combat. Though in my experience, gamers tend to develop the ability to add up dice pretty quickly.

It was more the time saved from not having to find/grab the right die and throw it (sometimes a couple of times if it landed badly next to a book of the like).  The only roll needed was the to-hit roll.

Thanks to Benoist for alerting me to what happened to this thread (by starting another thread on the topic next door).

Quote from: Melan;220040[4e is not for everyone] The Tyranny of Fun: quit obsessing over my 2008 post already -    06-27-2008, 08:42 AM

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Last edited by Melan; 06-26-2010 at 04:57 PM. Reason: Because it wasn't worth the hate I was getting for this

I'm saddened to hear that you saw fit to remove the OP for the reasons you state. The world is poorer for it. That's my honest opinion, and though I'm sad to see that you thought the appreciation of your analysis in the OP could never out balance the negative and (what's worse) personally offensive reactions it drew, I concur completely with your assessment of the situation.

I've thanked you for your intellectual efforts before, so let me renew them on such a sad occasion. There's a very, very, very few posters in the virtual webs out there who've enriched my understanding of D&D as much as you did, and I'm glad the Tyranny of Fun analysis was around while it was. Thank you.

I agree wholeheartedly with WJ. Good post, dude.

Thank you, WJ. But it was really time to move on from this. Here's a bit from something I posted on TheRPGHaven, though (okay, pretty much a recap of this, but hey):

QuoteWhat I see as good gaming now is about fun that is
- complex (encompassing diverse playstyles and agendas instead of reductionist thinking)
- customised (with a creative character of its own infused by the GM and the way the group interacts with this creative spark and moulds it)
- active (focused on contributing to others' fun and engaging with the game)
- social (manifested in friendship, hospitality and a commitment to shared creativity)
- mature (in the genuine sense; that of taking responsibility and being respectful of your peers)
- DIY (with significant input from you, the participant; on the macro-level, publications strongly based on amateur contributions)

Think I will add this to the OP because why not.

I still have an interest in the development of the Tyranny of Fun thing, where it ends up going and if peoples' dissatisfaction it will give rise to alternatives, but, similar to Benoist, I am so through with 4e discussion it is not even funny.

On the other hand, the first part of Khosura: City State of the Four Mysteries has just been published in Fight On! magazine; go check it out, it's good. .)

Quote from: Melan;391042Thank you, WJ. But it was really time to move on from this. Here's a bit from something I posted on TheRPGHaven, though (okay, pretty much a recap of this, but hey)

Consider this stolen for the foundational philosophy of Vintage Gaming.  

Warning! Personal, un-objective opinions follow!


I don't like 4e, and didn't care much for 3e either. I prefer games with more focus and structure, like AD&D and AD&D 2e. Not a fan of skill-based gaming. That is all.

For that you cast a Threadromancy spell?

Why not? There aren't any bans on thread necromancy around here, you know? :rolleyes:

Quote from: Benoist;408052Why not? There aren't any bans on thread necromancy around here, you know? :rolleyes:

Are there bans on it? Been a long time since I've been here, so if that's case... my apologies.

Quote from: Zalmoxis;408053Are there bans on it? Been a long time since I've been here, so if that's case... my apologies.

No. It's not the case.