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[4e] Give me your best anti-4e vitriol.

Started by B.T., January 21, 2009, 02:41:41 AM

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DeadUematsu

#30
January 21, 2009, 01:12:30 PM Last Edit: January 21, 2009, 01:40:37 PM by DeadUematsu
4E is a fantasy game the majority of gamers wanted - that is, a platform for freeform roleplaying with an admirable tactical combat system - but were to emotionally tied to the name D&D to break rank and find it elsewhere. That D&D was made to conform to those desires is unfortunate but perhaps it is for the better. After all, 4E can support campaign settings like Dragonlance, Forgotten Realms, and Greyhawk without players explicitedly following each world's genre conventions and all character classes are now playing the same game.
 

James J Skach

#31
January 21, 2009, 01:30:44 PM
Quote from: DeadUematsu;2796314E is a fantasy game the majority of gamers wanted - that is, a platform for freeform roleplaying with an admirable tactical combat system - but were to emotionally tied to the name D&D to break rank and find it elsewhere. That D&D was made to conform to those desires is unfortunate but perhaps it is for the better. After all, 4E can support campaign settings like Dragonlance, Forgotten Realms, and Greyhawk without players explicitedly following each world's genre conventions.
What specifically in 4e provides a platform for free form role-playing that didn't also exist in Basic, 1e, 2e, or 3e? Was there something in one of those version that prohibited free-form role-playing?
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DeadUematsu

#32
January 21, 2009, 02:09:06 PM Last Edit: January 21, 2009, 02:25:27 PM by DeadUematsu
Leanness, clarity, reasonable guidelines, and examples. That most people played AD&D like it was D&D with extra mechanical bits is a testament to D&D's prose being significantly more digestible. 4E just does it more so.
 

Seanchai

#33
January 21, 2009, 02:26:32 PM
Quote from: jeff37923;279618Look! Its a Zealot getting defensive about 4E!

I noticed that you didn't disagree with my assertion...

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James J Skach

#34
January 21, 2009, 02:36:41 PM Last Edit: January 21, 2009, 02:41:22 PM by James J Skach
EDIT: Removed for suddenly realizing I'm growing extremely weary with respect to these discussions - they never seem to go anywhere.

I'll go back to missing my dog.

Thanks!
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jeff37923

#35
January 21, 2009, 02:51:14 PM
Quote from: Seanchai;279656I noticed that you didn't disagree with my assertion...

Seanchai

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Drohem

#36
January 21, 2009, 03:02:56 PM
Quote from: James J Skach;279660I'll go back to missing my dog.

I'm sorry about your dog.  

*shakes fist in the air*

Damn you 4e!

(P.S.- This is an attempt at humor, and my disclaimer about it.)

kogi.kaishakunin

#37
January 21, 2009, 03:23:15 PM
SIGH... 4th ed is stuck in a box. It is so heavily geared toward mini's that the amazingly balanced well thought out rules stymies creative off the cuff roleplay moments. My main beef about D&D was the penchant for people to each take turns rolling to hit and then for damage. While there are now oodles of new ways to do this 4th is still in effect a board game with hopes of RPG.

BTW its an MMO because of the above balance, clear rules, and skill progression. Ease of play and a million players attracts people to MMO's. Hasbro tried to make the play easier hoping to grab some MMO-ers.

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D&D 4th is not
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jswa

#38
January 21, 2009, 04:47:40 PM
Quote from: Captain Rufus;279527Its a minis combat game that's only reason for popularity is because they stuck D&D as its name.

Calling it a minis combat game isn't exactly vitriol.

The rest of it is a screed against the players, and not actually about the game.

Just sayin'.

Dr Rotwang!

#39
January 21, 2009, 04:54:53 PM
The most damning thing I can say about the game is this: I enjoy having nothing to say about it.
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Cranewings

#40
January 21, 2009, 05:36:43 PM
Quote from: DeadUematsu;2796314E is a fantasy game the majority of gamers wanted - that is, a platform for freeform roleplaying with an admirable tactical combat system - but were to emotionally tied to the name D&D to break rank and find it elsewhere. That D&D was made to conform to those desires is unfortunate but perhaps it is for the better. After all, 4E can support campaign settings like Dragonlance, Forgotten Realms, and Greyhawk without players explicitedly following each world's genre conventions and all character classes are now playing the same game.

It is also boring.

StormBringer

#41
January 21, 2009, 05:59:49 PM
Quote from: Cranewings;279703It is also boring.
See?  I'm not the only one!

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jeff37923

#42
January 21, 2009, 06:07:02 PM
Quote from: StormBringer;279705See?  I'm not the only one!

:)

I don't think you ever were.
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StormBringer

#43
January 21, 2009, 06:10:57 PM
Quote from: jeff37923;279707I don't think you ever were.
w00t!  I am going to start a club.  "The 4e is boring club" or something.
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DeadUematsu

#44
January 21, 2009, 08:08:17 PM
Quote from: Cranewings;279703It is also boring.

In comparsion with what was, yes, it is boring. I feel that, even more than any other edition of D&D, 4E needs a good and perhaps permissive DM to really come alive. I'm in two campaigns and, lacking such types, makes it all the more apparent.
 
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