Quote from: CavScout;284048I generally don't see fans of 4E telling other edition fans that there game isn't a "real rpg" or the like, that seems to flow one way at 4E.

Except in this thread, right?

Quote from: Abyssal Maw;284001Provide a link.

http://gryphcon.org/events.php

4e x2 slots
3.5 x9 slots
Other x13 slots

Not including all the other minis games and LARPs and stuff.  

Quote from: Abyssal Maw;284001we'll count the events this year and we'll just compare what happens next year. The only way to resolve things, isn't it?

What do you expect to change?  Two years after it's released everyone suddenly stops playing their favourite games and only plays your favourite game instead?

Your claims about how people playing older editions or other systems are not being part of "the hobby" or whatever you're ranting about just don't match how things are here.  Maybe down your way it's the only thing people play... but I doubt that's true if you were to look a bit harder.

I also think that while most people have favourite games, they'll play more than one game (or edition). The guy running the 4e sessions at the local con is excited about my B/X game next month, and one of the other guys in the game is putting on a 4e night that I'm thinking of going to (hence my questions about looking for someplace that could get me jazzed about giving it a try).

Quote from: Stuart;284050http://gryphcon.org/events.php

4e x2 slots
3.5 x9 slots
Other x13 slots

Not including all the other minis games and LARPs and stuff.  

Both those Living Realms events are multiple tables, so that's actually 4e x4. Now, we just wait a year, and see if it changes. I dunno what will happen, but if it's anything like Weathertop or Gottacon I suspect it will grow.

QuoteWhat do you expect to change?  Two years after it's released everyone suddenly stops playing their favourite games and only plays your favourite game instead?

Nope, but I do suspect 4e will do nothing but grow.

QuoteYour claims about how people playing older editions or other systems are not being part of "the hobby" or whatever you're ranting about just don't match how things are here.

Not my claim! My claim is that people who mostly talk about stuff without playing it are cognizant in at least some way that they have already ceased to be part of the hobby.  I have, in fact, never been wrong about this.

QuoteI also think that while most people have favourite games, they'll play more than one game (or edition). The guy running the 4e sessions at the local con is excited about my B/X game next month, and one of the other guys in the game is putting on a 4e night that I'm thinking of going to (hence my questions about looking for someplace that could get me jazzed about giving it a try).

What can I tell you? It's a fun game if you want to have fun. If you want to go to be a dick, or insult people, I'm positive you can successfully ruin the experience for everyone. That's true of just about every game of course.

What you do is up to you.

my best anti-4e vitriol, ahem,

4e suxs

Quote from: jeff37923;284049Except in this thread, right?

Which game are we saying isn't an rpg? I will be happy to set the record straight immediately.

Quote from: vomitbrown;284057my best anti-4e vitriol, ahem,

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Quote from: Abyssal Maw;284058Which game are we saying isn't an rpg? I will be happy to set the record straight immediately.

But since I don't like 4E, I'm really not having fun with my preferred games and my opinion doesn't matter anymore according to you.

Quote from: jeff37923;284061But since I don't like 4E, I'm really not having fun with my preferred games and my opinion doesn't matter anymore according to you.

Also not my claim. Thank you for allowing me to set the record straight again.

Liking or disliking is irrelevant. It's the obsession that counts.

Quote from: Abyssal Maw;284056Not my claim! My claim is that people who mostly talk about stuff without playing it are cognizant in at least some way that they have already ceased to be part of the hobby.  I have, in fact, never been wrong about this.

Uhhh...ok...let me see if I have this straight.

In relation to playing, I've talked about 4e more than played it (4 sessions to date, another coming).

How is that I have no feeling in any way that I have ceased to be a part of the hobby? Am I just delusional about it? Do I not realize I'm no longer part of the hobby because I don't play D&D 4e? Am I brain damaged?

I mean, you've never been wrong about this...

Quote from: jeff37923;284061But since I don't like 4E, I'm really not having fun with my preferred games and my opinion doesn't matter anymore according to you.

Quote from: Abyssal Maw;284062Also not my claim. Thank you for allowing me to set the record straight again.

Liking or disliking is irrelevant. It's the obsession that counts.

I call bullshit on you.

Quote from: Abyssal Maw;283992Jrients aside, a good solid percentage of the "olde school movement" is people who talk about gaming because they don't actually do it anymore. And even so-- a good solid chunk of those people spend a sizable portion of their time (and blogs) talking about 4e, and insulting people who do enjoy it, because they realize in some fashion, that they no longer matter. In many cases (let's take StormBringer here) we're talking about people who haven't sat at a gaming table with other human beings in decades.

Quote from: Abyssal Maw;283992Nor does it occur to anyone else. Here's my hypothesis: "Casual disinterest is not the sort of emotion that naturally incites people to hatred. It's something else."
 
To understand the bitterness and hatred here, you have to understand the mental process it comes from. My personal belief (and I apologize but I really do believe this) is that a lot of you guys realize you stopped having fun with this hobby a long time ago. Right now there's a lot of clinging to the artifacts of yesteryear. Next year? Maybe not so many of you hanging around is my guess.

Quote from: James J Skach;284063Uhhh...ok...let me see if I have this straight.

In relation to playing, I've talked about 4e more than played it (4 sessions to date, another coming).

How is that I have no feeling in any way that I have ceased to be a part of the hobby? Am I just delusional about it? Do I not realize I'm no longer part of the hobby because I don't play D&D 4e? Am I brain damaged?

I mean, you've never been wrong about this...

That is another part of the weird 4E zealotry, it reminds me a lot of the most annoying aspects of the viral marketting tactics used by The Forge when members would try and push their crap on people.

Funny thing about that is that AM uses a lot of the same rhetoric he put on the Forgeniks.

They're the two halves of a totality to which they do, however, not add up.

Which author?

Meanwhile, and on a related note:

It pains me, but I feel compelled to report that per a certain podcast--both of whose hosts are swine, one of whom owns a certain fine gamestore in Oakland and also has a share in IPR--

a) Pathfinder is dead as a doornail;

b) ever since 4E happened RPGA play has been off the scale.

I think the reality of 4E's popularity has to be acknowledged, even though according to many voices, some informed, it's significantly less than 3E at a comparable moment in the edition cycle.

Quote from: jeff37923;284065That is another part of the weird 4E zealotry, it reminds me a lot of the most annoying aspects of the viral marketting tactics used by The Forge when members would try and push their crap on people.

Well, I think it makes a certain amount of sense if - and here's the catch - you believe that the latest incarnation of D&D is the hobby.

Now, to a certain extent, this is true - it certainly retains, as it has since the beginning, the lions share of the market dominating everything.

And I suspect that this part, among other things, underlies AM's position. IIRC, he's been pretty consistent about this being the case.

What I came to realize is that this is not true. It's certainly true that the latest incarnation of D&D is the industry. But the hobby is so dispersed at this point it's impossible to say anything is the hobby - unless you phrase it as any and all incarnations of D&D are probably the greatest number of games played. And while that makes sense, even that is subject to doubt because there simply aren't any numbers.

I'm as much, or more, into the hobby now than I've ever been barring, possibly, the first year when it blew my grades to shit as I did nothing but D&D with my friends.

I could be way off base as I'm truly a bit stunned by AM's implied inclusion of me in this - but I'm still calling that mountain range in Dunfalcon the Abyssals...