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Author Topic: "3rd ed is the game of choice for assholes"  (Read 53927 times)

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« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2012, 03:49:27 PM »
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This is a stupid thread made off of a stupid idea to further exalt some particular fashion of play that someone has.


This one however, much anger I sense in him.

That's it Padawan... tell us how you really feel. Let go of your self. Give in to the Dark Side. :D

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« Reply #16 on: August 14, 2012, 03:51:54 PM »
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This one however, much anger I sense in him.

That's it Padawan... tell us how you really feel. Let go of your self. Give in to the Dark Side. :D


Ironically that's about the only accurate thing he's said
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« Reply #17 on: August 14, 2012, 03:53:47 PM »
I find your points interesting and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

Honestly, I've never come so close to ramming the corner of a rulebook into someone's aesophagus and watching them turn purple than when one of my ex-group told me in sphincter-clenching detail how he planned on advancing the wizard he'd played up to 7th level all the way to 15th, including what he was going to spend every goddamn gold piece on to 'enhance his build'.

I was going to post in the Adult Swim thread, but I'll do it here instead. I grew up with D&D about 30 years ago. I had RQ. I had Traveller. I had T&T, and a copy of the first Warhammer rules in a box (which my mother appears to have burnt or given away sometime while I was at uni...), but I wasn't a gamer, I was a D&D player. Fast forward 25 years and we got to the 3rd ed party late. And within months, sane rational gamers who I'd played about every possible 1sr ed PC combo with suddenly started talking about builds. Fuck the work the GM put into his game, show me the XP and loot so I can make my character more powerful, along a path I have already predetermined.

No. Thank. You.

So now I'm not a D&D player, I'm a gamer. I still look wistfully at the 1st ed books on my shelf like I might do at the sister of the girl who told me she loved me then proceeded to fuck everyone else in the dorm corridor behind my back. I use my 3.5 player's handbook to keep my plate steady while I eat dinner in front of the TV, and the rest of the books...couldn't even tell you where they are. So even when 5th ed was announced, they could have said, free blow jobs when you buy the new books, I just don't fucking care. If it gets new people into the hobby, then I might see the benefit if they think like 1st ed players. My worry is they think like 3rd ed players, in which case I'll be hiding at home with the curtains drawn, using Mythic and Savage Worlds, and drinking my own pee.
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« Reply #18 on: August 14, 2012, 03:55:55 PM »
At first I wanted to say, "I prefer 3E and am only sometimes an asshole."  But then it occurred to me that this could be why I don't often see eye-to-eye with some of the Paizo crowd...

Hmm...

Anyway, I can get behind the point that min/max'ers are assholes, and that 3E caters to min/max'ers very well, especially when you include metric assloads of splat.

However, in my time on the internet, I have always found the WW gamers to be far less approachable...
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« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2012, 04:01:08 PM »
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I find your points interesting and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

Honestly, I've never come so close to ramming the corner of a rulebook into someone's aesophagus and watching them turn purple than when one of my ex-group told me in sphincter-clenching detail how he planned on advancing the wizard he'd played up to 7th level all the way to 15th, including what he was going to spend every goddamn gold piece on to 'enhance his build'.

I was going to post in the Adult Swim thread, but I'll do it here instead. I grew up with D&D about 30 years ago. I had RQ. I had Traveller. I had T&T, and a copy of the first Warhammer rules in a box (which my mother appears to have burnt or given away sometime while I was at uni...), but I wasn't a gamer, I was a D&D player. Fast forward 25 years and we got to the 3rd ed party late. And within months, sane rational gamers who I'd played about every possible 1sr ed PC combo with suddenly started talking about builds. Fuck the work the GM put into his game, show me the XP and loot so I can make my character more powerful, along a path I have already predetermined.

No. Thank. You.

So now I'm not a D&D player, I'm a gamer. I still look wistfully at the 1st ed books on my shelf like I might do at the sister of the girl who told me she loved me then proceeded to fuck everyone else in the dorm corridor behind my back. I use my 3.5 player's handbook to keep my plate steady while I eat dinner in front of the TV, and the rest of the books...couldn't even tell you where they are. So even when 5th ed was announced, they could have said, free blow jobs when you buy the new books, I just don't fucking care. If it gets new people into the hobby, then I might see the benefit if they think like 1st ed players. My worry is they think like 3rd ed players, in which case I'll be hiding at home with the curtains drawn, using Mythic and Savage Worlds, and drinking my own pee.


I tried recently to interest a pathfider group in a 1E game and here were the responses:

one no comment.

"1E was broken"
   
Had a bad experience with 1E back in the day

"I would like to try it"


Not the "Sure, lets play" I had hoped for.
So one out of four. Blah.

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« Reply #20 on: August 14, 2012, 04:05:00 PM »
The group mentioned above are now playing Pathfinder...
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« Reply #21 on: August 14, 2012, 04:15:13 PM »
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I tried recently to interest a pathfider group in a 1E game and here were the responses:

one no comment.

"1E was broken"
   
Had a bad experience with 1E back in the day

"I would like to try it"


Not the "Sure, lets play" I had hoped for.
So one out of four. Blah.
Don't play 1E with these gamers. Introduce the game to new people you know who are curious about your hobby.

You will have a blast.

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« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2012, 04:18:19 PM »
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You could, but then people would look at you like you went exponential retard.


Hint.  Gygax didn't have anything to do with 2e.


This is almost comical at the number of things you keep getting wrong.


I think he was deliberately being wrong this time around, but, yeah, I can see it going either way.
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« Reply #23 on: August 14, 2012, 04:33:23 PM »
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"why spend my time number crunching bullshit while I could build cool adventuring environments and care for the actual game instead?"


Well said, Benoist


I completely agree with the sentiment. I don't agree with the solution...but I agree with the sentiment.
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« Reply #24 on: August 14, 2012, 04:38:44 PM »
You want to play "Semantics and Lawyers"? Go ahead. We'll be busy kickin' ass and chewing Stygian Black Lotus- the best!  :)
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« Reply #25 on: August 14, 2012, 04:41:32 PM »
There is no denying that the learning curve was considerably higher for 3E's crunchy bits. In consideration for 2E, you sacrificed ease of play for imbalance. Its mechanics beyond the core books were all over the place and lacked elegance, particularly once kits and other add-on products were released. You can blame the production manager for lack of quality control.

Striking a balance between the two has proven incredibly difficult. 4E swung far too crunchy, but 5E looks like it may fall somewhere right in the comfortable center. I'm cautiously optimistic.
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« Reply #26 on: August 14, 2012, 04:47:42 PM »
Given the amount of whining about how 4th edition "destroyed the magic of D&D" and the like seemed to come from players of 3e who liked to play "Batman" wizards (who were prevented from solo-dominating any and all encounters and making everyone else in the party feel like useless sidekicks), I'm inclined to be sympathetic to the premise of this thread.
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« Reply #27 on: August 14, 2012, 06:08:54 PM »
This is why I stopped playing Champions (and DC Heroes, and Mutants & Masterminds).
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« Reply #28 on: August 14, 2012, 07:47:53 PM »
3E is where I would encounter dudes playing Fighters that didn't carry any ranged weapons.

I don't recall ever seeing that when playing oldschool editions.

So it looks like 3e is the game of choice for dumb assholes as well.
Yeah, but who gives a fuck? You? Jibba?

Well congrats. No one else gives a shit, so your arguments are a waste of breath.

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« Reply #29 on: August 14, 2012, 07:50:13 PM »
3e is the game where players ignore spell limitations, and then complain that the MU is horribly overpowered.
D&D is not an "everyone gets a ribbon" game.  If you're stupid, your PC will die.  If you're an asshole, your PC will die (probably from the other PCs).  If you're unlucky, your PC may die.  Point?  PC's die.  Get over it and roll up a new one.