Quote from: ggroy;414191Don't remember offhand.  Will have to look through the old 1E modules.

I have a bunch of 'em, but I was just too lazy to go and get 'em.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;414158On topic: There is a simple way to distinguish between editions of D&D. D&D3.5 sucked. AD&D1e did not.

Strange... Fans of AD&D1e over D&D3.5 tell me that the former already did everything the latter did...

Quote from: ColonelHardisson;414193Compared to the 1e charts in the DMG? No way.

Way.

Quote from: Benoist;414197Way.

Seriously, though, THAC0 made running combat so much quicker. I can't see what advantage the charts had.

Quote from: ColonelHardisson;414199Seriously, though, THAC0 made running combat so much quicker. I can't see what advantage the charts had.

I just wrote down the lines of to-hit numbers for the players to hit particular monster ACs in combat.  No need to go through the to-hit table every single roll.

Quote from: ColonelHardisson;414199Seriously, though, THAC0 made running combat so much quicker. I can't see what advantage the charts had.

They were right in front of you and required no math?

Quote from: Benoist;414131Cool!

Here's my visual diagram:

are those stink lines or motion lines coming off of 2e?

I like to think they're stink lines.

Quote from: thedungeondelver;414202They were right in front of you and required no math?

This.

Quote from: thedungeondelver;414204I like to think they're stink lines.

They are.

Quote from: thedungeondelver;414202They were right in front of you and required no math?

That's pretty weak. The math was ridiculously simple for THAC0. If that was a stumbling block for anyone, they might wanna consider playing Chutes & Ladders instead. THAC0 meant adding and subtracting the AC from 0. Much quicker and easier to use on the fly. It sped up combats in my games by a good margin. It also made it easier for me to keep the players from knowing exactly how hard it was for them to hit a given monster. I used those charts for so long that when I dropped my DMG, it fell open to that section automatically, so it's not like I had no experience with the system. THAC0 was such an improvement for me that I rarely had to even open the book after that.

Quote from: ColonelHardisson;414212That's pretty weak. The math was ridiculously simple for THAC0.

No math beats simple math.

Quote from: Melan;414110A friend of mine owns a copy (and the original Necropolis, the lucky bastard!), and he swears by DJ as the best complex fantasy system he knows. He may be right about that, but from what I have seen, it is less gygaxian than Palladium.

Dangerous Journeys is awesome. You might want to give it a look. It's less complex than it looks, and it's dripping with alternate ancient/medieval earth inspiration.

1e Roxxors and 2e Suxxors???

I don't get the argument.  I didn't care for the family-friendly presentation of 2e, but its just 1e rules + a supplement.  Its not any more an "edition change" than CoC 1e is different from CoC 6e.

2e did have truly awesome settings though.  Loves me some Ravenloft, Al-Qadim and Planescape.

Quote from: Benoist;414215Dangerous Journeys is awesome. You might want to give it a look. It's less complex than it looks, and it's dripping with alternate ancient/medieval earth inspiration.

Start a DJ thread.  I'd like to hear about it.   It never really showed up on my radar.

I can't read this thread point by point now because I've got too much Armagnac in my gut and I need to go to bed. But, I want to thank Dungeon Delver for starting it, and Melan for letting me know it was here.

I suspect there is so much truth on both sides here that it will beat the shit out of various apparent contradictions and take its stuff. But, like I said, goodnight.

Quote from: Calithena;414221I can't read this thread point by point now because I've got too much Armagnac in my gut and I need to go to bed. But, I want to thank Dungeon Delver for starting it, and Melan for letting me know it was here.

I suspect there is so much truth on both sides here that it will beat the shit out of various apparent contradictions and take its stuff. But, like I said, goodnight.

Yeah, this is pretty much where I'm at.  I just can't muster much give a shit about 3e and its relationship to AD&D, at the moment.  I went out to dinner.  I had calamari, greek salad, and rosemary bread, followed by sautéed sea perch smothered in crab, oysters, and shrimp.  I ordered a bottle of Ruffino Lumina Pinot Grigio, but they accidentally brought (and opened, before showing me the label) a bottle of Ruffino Chianti.  However, I went ahead and tasted the chianti, and I didn't send it back, because it was so damn good.  For dessert I had tiramisu with amaretto ice cream and a cappuccino.  I had my wife and my four children with me, plus my sister-in-law and her children.  We had a great time.

Perhaps I'll be more on my game in the morning, but for now, I think I'm going to go out on my porch, look at the stars, and smoke a cigar.  I wish I had another bottle of that chianti.