ATTACK OF THE THE SECOND EDITION!

(you had to be there)

Anyway, yeah - this does sound a lot like Castles & Crusades...

Vaguely enthused to see 2e getting some love, but also a bit leery of "modern game theory". WTF is that supposed to mean?

Anyway, I'm curious as to how it turns out. I hope it's not another C&C; not because C&C is bad, but because we already have C&C.

Quote from: The Butcher;393041WTF is that supposed to mean?

It means it's going to be a 2e "not-a-clone."  Sounds like another fantasy heartbreaker with someone's house rules as part of the mix, to me.  I hate to be negative, but if I wanted to play 2e, I'd just play 2e.  The books are still cheap and readily available on the used market.  And I can house rule in whatever "improvements" I like; I can house rule just as well as the next guy.

If I were creating a 2e clone game, I'd leverage OSRIC, which already has the core rules I'd need. For example, maybe I'd create an OSRIC product called "Second Edition Reborn Fantasy" and trademark "SERF."  The SERF supplement would have "optional" rules that replace the standard OSRIC rules, where necessary.  New versions of the classes and tweaked combat rules would be the obvious place to start.  Of course, the SERF versions would be compatible with 2e.

I'd probably release these things in pieces, as I finished them: SERF Classes for OSRIC, SERF Combat for OSRIC, et cetera, until the whole thing was done.  Then I'd release a combined product.  While it might not be strictly necessary, I'd talk with the OSRIC trademark holders to get permission and make sure I wasn't doing anything wrong with their mark.

In the end, you have a new trademark (i.e. SERF) that was code for 2e, just like OSRIC is code for 1e AD&D.  Other publishers could use it to release 2e material, if they liked.  Et cetera.  My goal wouldn't necessarily be for people to play SERF, although they could if they wanted to.  My goal would be to encourage play of 2e by stimulating publication of modules and supplements for SERF.

(Note that I'm not interested in 2e and won't be doing this, but this is how I'd approach it if I were going to do it.)

Quote from: Philotomy Jurament;393044It means it's going to be a 2e "not-a-clone."  Sounds like another fantasy heartbreaker with someone's house rules as part of the mix, to me.  I hate to be negative, but if I wanted to play 2e, I'd just play 2e.  The books are still cheap and readily available on the used market.  And I can house rule in whatever "improvements" I like; I can house rule just as well as the next guy.

If I were doing this, I'd leverage OSRIC, which already has the core rules I'd need. For example, maybe I'd create an OSRIC product called "Second Edition Reborn Fantasy" and trademark "SERF."  The SERF supplement would have "optional" rules that replace the standard OSRIC rules, where necessary.  New versions of the classes and tweaked combat rules would be the obvious place to start.  Of course, the SERF versions would be compatible with 2e.

I'd probably release these things in pieces, as I finished them: SERF Classes for OSRIC, SERF Combat for OSRIC, et cetera, until the whole thing was done.  Then I'd release a combined product.  While it might not be strictly necessary, I'd talk with the OSRIC trademark holders to get permission and make sure I wasn't doing anything wrong with their mark.

In the end, you have a new trademark (i.e. SERF) that was code for 2e, just like OSRIC is code for 1e AD&D.  Other publishers could use it to release 2e material, if they liked.  Et cetera.

(Note that I'm not interested in 2e and won't be doing this, but this is how I'd approach it if I were going to do it.)

I thought along the same lines as well. If I was going for a 2e clone, I'd make a supplement to OSRIC. Love the name by the way, SERF.

Oh. And it looks like the guys renamed their game "Myth & Magic".

Quote from: Benoist;393045I thought along the same lines as well. If I was going for a 2e clone, I'd make a supplement to OSRIC. Love the name by the way, SERF.

I think the "SERF" name originally got floated on an ENW thread.

Having a clone for every single variant of the D&D game out there is getting a bit tired, in my opinion. It's fine that you have reference documents and all, but for God sakes - at some point, one should just add to the corpus of references already in existence rather than creating yet-another-OGL-game-for-it. It's counterproductive, IMO.

Quote from: Benoist;393050Having a clone for every single variant of the D&D game out there is getting a bit tired, in my opinion. It's fine that you have reference documents and all, but for God sakes - at some point, one should just add to the corpus of references already in existence rather than creating yet-another-OGL-game-for-it. It's counterproductive, IMO.

That's not going to stop anyone from making their own "retro heartbreaker" rpg.

Quote from: ggroy;393051That's not going to stop anyone from making their own "retro heartbreaker" rpg.

I know. It just bears saying, though.

Wonder if this 2E retro clone will resemble Castles & Crusades or Troll Lord's earlier unpublished "Sword & Sorcery" rpg.  The snippets that Troll Lord published for "Sword & Sorcery" looks like 2E AD&D with ascending AC, along with some custom house rules for saving throws and skill checks.

dammit we need more clones for Dragons of Underearth and TFT already

By the way Caesar Slaad, did you know the quote in your sig is taken from Dorothy Parker?

Quote from: Age of Fable;393061By the way Caesar Slaad, did you know the quote in your sig is taken from Dorothy Parker?

She hates 4e too?

Yes, I knew that.

Quote from: Benoist;393050Having a clone for every single variant of the D&D game out there is getting a bit tired, in my opinion. It's fine that you have reference documents and all, but for God sakes - at some point, one should just add to the corpus of references already in existence rather than creating yet-another-OGL-game-for-it. It's counterproductive, IMO.

Agreed.

RPGPundit

Quote from: Age of Fable;393010It sounds like the theory behind every role-playing game other than the first

Bingo!

I wish them luck.   I didn't see much difference between the AD&D 1e and 2e rulesets.  Most players I knew weren't big on either proficiencies or kits.

Quote from: Caesar Slaad;393085She hates 4e too?

She sent me this poem this morning:


4th edition has no heart.
World of Darkness thinks it's art.
WFRP is all blood and axes,
3.5's like doing taxes.
One's too short, the next too dense,
The third's just right, but makes no sense.
On the whole, dear friends, it's best
To give up and play HeroQuest.