Quote from: Bren;1002008Well 000 is just as likely as rolling 123, 386, or any other 3 numbers (1/1000). And 000 is more than 20 times more likely than 18-00.

Well, I've seen a roll of straight 10s on 12 dice, in Exalted. Compared to that probability, the odds of 18/00 are nothing:D!
Of course, it was the GM rolling for an NPC, for the dice gods are fickle;)!

Oh, and for the record, the only way I ever got the 18/00 roll was by 4d6 drop lowest number.

Quote from: AsenRG;1002788Well, I've seen a roll of straight 10s on 12 dice, in Exalted. Compared to that probability, the odds of 18/00 are nothing:D!
Of course, it was the GM rolling for an NPC, for the dice gods are fickle;)!

You witnessed a one in a trillion die roll and lived to talk about it? I suppose anything is possible. But I think it is more likely that someone used loaded dice, or you mis remembered or made it up.

Once. I rolled the 18 Strength and went, "Hey guys!" The entire group watched those follow-up 2d10s bounced around the cafeteria table, landing on 00.

It hadn't happened before nor did it happen again.

Quote from: Larsdangly;1002873You witnessed a one in a trillion die roll and lived to talk about it?

Yes. And since it was a Perception+Awareness roll, there was no issue with the "living to talk about it" part:D!

QuoteI suppose anything is possible.

My point exactly:).

QuoteBut I think it is more likely that someone used loaded dice, or you mis remembered or made it up.

We had another player roll with the same dice, and they showed roughly normal distribution. No, I didn't "misremember", because the GM suddenly waved at us and said "I'm not touching those, but I want you to look at my roll just now, because I need witnesses".

As for making things up, there's no point arguing if you suspect that.
Let's just say that if I was making stuff up, I would have made a much better story than "a Deathlord tried to look at us from a distance, hoping to distinguish details about our iconic auras, but instead, much to his surprise, saw our faces and figures in exquisite detail"!

What would be the point of Asen making that up anyway? :rolleyes:

Quote from: Dumarest;1003036What would be the point of Asen making that up anyway? :rolleyes:

My question exactly.

This is basically the same odds as someone flipping 40 quarters and having every one come up heads. To bring it back to our 18/100 stat discussion, it is just a bit more likely than someone rolling a natural 18/100 strength using straight 3d followed by d100. And then picking up the dice and doing it again. And then picking up the dice and doing it a third time. It is not douchie to be skeptical when someone tells you they did this. It is almost indistinguishable from impossible.

Quote from: Larsdangly;1003134This is basically the same odds as someone flipping 40 quarters and having every one come up heads. To bring it back to our 18/100 stat discussion, it is just a bit more likely than someone rolling a natural 18/100 strength using straight 3d followed by d100. And then picking up the dice and doing it again. And then picking up the dice and doing it a third time. It is not douchie to be skeptical when someone tells you they did this. It is almost indistinguishable from impossible.

1) I did not do this, I said I was a player. I saw it, because we rolled in the open, and the GM asked us to double-check his roll because he almost didn't believe it. See a difference?
2) It wasn't for a particularly important roll. Why would I claim this if I was making it up? Bragging rights for seeing someone have a nearly-impossible roll? If anyone thinks that's cause for any kind of bragging rights, I pity their lack of a life. (My point was simply "actually rolling 18/00 isn't all that impossible, even before accounting for the use of different rolling methods, so there's no reason to disbelieve people they might have rolled it or seen it rolled". Though it's still better to roll in front of everybody).
3) I never said it was douchey of you. It's your choice of words:). What I was asking was "why would you think that I'd lie for something that gives me no advantage of any kind?"
4) Actually, rolling 18/00 three times in a row is over 10 times less likely. This isn't just "a bit" in my book;).

Admittedly, I'd like to ask an additional question.
"What impressive deeds have your PCs with 18/50+ achieved, where the strength was a defining advantage"?

Quote from: AsenRG;1003163Admittedly, I'd like to ask an additional question.
"What impressive deeds have your PCs with 18/50+ achieved, where the strength was a defining advantage"?

Wrestled down an Ogre with a decent success rate to try (which is why I did in the first place), broke through all the chains we ended being wrapped in.  (I think the DM had a bondage fetish, but we never actually asked her.)  A couple feats of strength that I remember doing, but forget the exact details.

Quote from: AsenRG;1003163Admittedly, I'd like to ask an additional question.
"What impressive deeds have your PCs with 18/50+ achieved, where the strength was a defining advantage"?

Killed a few more goblins or orcs or whatever it was (I forget) than would normally be expected, before going down like all the other characters that should have run sooner.  Basically, the same thing that our one 18 Str Wizard did when we were playing Basic/Expert, with 3d6, roll in order.  

It was very much, "easy come, easy go," on the high stats guys.

I saw 18/00 rolled once, in all my years of gaming. It wasn't me who rolled it. It was rolled in sight of everyone, so it definitely wasn't cheating (I saw a couple of other characters with 18/00 strength but under the very strong impression those were cheaters).

Quote from: AsenRG;1003163Admittedly, I'd like to ask an additional question.
"What impressive deeds have your PCs with 18/50+ achieved, where the strength was a defining advantage"?

I've seen it matter very, very little, which is why I don't use the strength bonus at all.

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;1004303I've seen it matter very, very little, which is why I don't use the strength bonus at all.

I don't about you but being able to do 1d10+6 with a halberd sure helps.

Remember, I don't use variable damage by weapon type either.  I've gone back to bog-standard 3 LBBs for character stats.