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Author Topic: +1 Combat Wheelchair of "Representation"  (Read 24938 times)

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Re: +1 Combat Wheelchair of "Representation"
« Reply #285 on: February 18, 2021, 02:55:08 PM »
I was blind for like a week once as a child of about 5, the lice shampoo the school mandated everyone use swelled my eyes shut, it was horrible. After about 3 days, if I pressed a hand over my left eye and held it down I could crack the right one open for a bit, walk forward say 30 feet, wait on the tears and blur to stop then do it again. (this shit is why we hillbilly boys just flat shave our heads and be done with it, if you've ever wondered, its called a "burr" and is a far better option than shampoos when you've got a gaggle of boys in close proximity, helps with finding ticks too in the summer) I later at about age 12 jumped across a creek during a bottle rocket fight and got jabbed in the left eye with a cane pole, tore the cornea, had to do cream and a pirate patch for a few weeks. Point is that I speak from experience that you, unless mentally unsound, would seek treatment and settle for a combat wheelchair only if nothing else was available. That time i got my left index finger stripped to the bone on a bench grinder between the nail and knuckle also tells me you would climb mountains for a cure rather than a crutch, left hand was useless for almost 6 months, that finger today still doesn't feel right in terms of tactile sensation, part dead part freezy bone ache tingle. I'd have spared no expense for magical healing had it been an option, it's hard to do any sort of metalcraft or autobody work one handed. It's insanely frustrating to be temporarily gimped and have to rely on a retarded cousin or hapsburg apprentice to do basic shit that now takes 3 times as long.

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Re: +1 Combat Wheelchair of "Representation"
« Reply #286 on: February 18, 2021, 04:04:05 PM »
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Re: +1 Combat Wheelchair of "Representation"
« Reply #287 on: February 18, 2021, 04:14:40 PM »
I brought that up in my thread as well.

There is a huge difference between being born with a handicap, and acquiring one. Very few people who have had a handicap forced on them would ever "embrace" that if a viable cure was on hand.

Also no one born with a severely debilitating handicap will "embrace" that if a viable cure is on hand.

People like myself born this way have never known that loss and I know several who preach that being handicapped is just fine and seeking a cure is bad. THIS kids is self righteousness of the nastiest sort. Just because we have adapted to not having legs or being blind or whatever does not give us any right to tell anyone else they should accept being like this. And it sure as hell gives us no right to tell anyone suffering far worse than we to just accept it.

I am very adapted to living in on a perpetual rollercoaster and ship at sea. Im ok with this because I've known nothing else. But that gives me no right to tell anyone else that seeking a cure is wrong. And I'd love to be cured of this and worse I live with every day.

The 70s version of this stupid pulled the exact same things. Seeking a cure or even just seeking a workaround was bad and wrong. God I despise these fuckers.

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Re: +1 Combat Wheelchair of "Representation"
« Reply #288 on: February 18, 2021, 04:17:45 PM »
Praise to the Spider Queen

Yup. We brought up that and a dozen more sane conveyances that actually make sense. But nope. Wheelchair of Representation.

Oh and lets not forget everyone has to be welcoming of these poor oppresededed cripples because gamers NEVER WERE BEFORE and we have to help them because thats totally not demeaning and a marketing ploy of the most crackheaded magnitude.

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Re: +1 Combat Wheelchair of "Representation"
« Reply #289 on: February 18, 2021, 04:32:54 PM »



If this was a more conventional magic item it would be rejected on the grounds of being overpowered, especially for its price (100gp). But because it brings 'representation', it's celebrated. Which is even more bizarre: who the hell wants to play someone stuck in a wheelchair?

The presumption claimed by SJWs is "people in wheelchairs". Their argument is that someone in a wheelchair COULDN'T POSSIBLY IDENTIFY ever with someone not in a wheelchair, and so to be able to play D&D at all need to have characters in wheelchairs. That's Critical Theory in action.

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Someone suggested this and I have to agree: this is about someone's creepy fetish for disabled people.

I don't think so. I think the real answer is this: most people in wheelchairs don't actually want to play characters in wheelchairs, but people PRETENDING to be wheelchair bound in real life to get influence and victimhood-power absolutely want to get to force everyone else to accept D&D characters in wheelchairs.

There's credible evidence that the inventor of the +1 Wheelchair of Representation is one of these pretend-wheelchair-bound people.
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Re: +1 Combat Wheelchair of "Representation"
« Reply #290 on: February 18, 2021, 04:39:39 PM »
There's credible evidence that the inventor of the +1 Wheelchair of Representation is one of these pretend-wheelchair-bound people.

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Re: +1 Combat Wheelchair of "Representation"
« Reply #291 on: February 18, 2021, 05:34:31 PM »
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There's credible evidence that the inventor of the +1 Wheelchair of Representation is one of these pretend-wheelchair-bound people.

Well definitely Chronic Fatigue Syndrome is harder to prove than broken spine, nevertheless I would not count it as simply pretend - just few weeks ago some 31-y.o. Italian singer went for euthanasia because of this shit. Now that I think about though - there may be difference in mental attitude between seriously crippled people and people with such neurological syndromes like CFS...
For those who become wheelbound because of accident or more rampant disease wheel is more like sort of prison, sad necessity... for people like CFS it can be more like dunno extra help in their overally miserable existence... sort of not exactly needed, but its good to use one now and then.

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Re: +1 Combat Wheelchair of "Representation"
« Reply #292 on: February 18, 2021, 05:45:44 PM »
I think my friend who costumed as the main character in my RPG felt that way. She went from dancer to wheelchair bound more and more as her lifelong illness took its toll. My sister went the same way and died at the same age even. They fought it to the end.

As noted above theres a huge difference between being born with a disability. And having one forced on you from illness or accident or having one there are no good workarounds to. And some people take it really badly.

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Re: +1 Combat Wheelchair of "Representation"
« Reply #293 on: February 18, 2021, 05:48:03 PM »
What just makes me not want to even remotely want anything to do with such people is the absolute 1000% certainty that if some kind of cure for blindness would be free or affordable with no strings attached to no blind person or someone with a disability would be ever try to get it their disability cured. Words only spoken by those who have never had a disability or self-identify as disabled. Who in their right mind who has never seen or walked would refuse to get cured. To me as someone wearing glasses I would give almost everything to not have to wear them.

Even worse when they try and ignore the versatility of magic in a setting. With such "wisdom" as it's too expensive to get cured or other similar nonsense. maybe Joe the average farmer cannot afford it, Level 5 fighter has the party pool their resources to get a Cure Blindness spell cast. No matter the resources or the rules within a fantasy setting NO one can or would want to be cured. I would love to see their insanity when it comes to Science fiction backgrounds.

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Re: +1 Combat Wheelchair of "Representation"
« Reply #294 on: February 19, 2021, 02:13:45 AM »
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Cool. Show me one player with that sort of mobility issue who wants to PLAY that mobility issue in game.

This is fetish, pure and simple.

So true.  My wife's sister-in-law has lived almost her entire life in a wheel chair and when we play RPG's with her all of her characters ALL OF THEM are built for speed.   She would never play a character that was bound to a wheel chair.  ever.   So those people think otherwise can go fuck themselves.  With a stick.  Covered in barbed wire.  While they are On fire..

So very true. Same with my buddy. He can't  walk more than a few feet without his crutches. Every character he makes in every system does not replicate his disability.

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Re: +1 Combat Wheelchair of "Representation"
« Reply #295 on: February 19, 2021, 02:27:25 AM »
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The one who made it.

Learn a bit about "the one who made it" - "the one who made it" isn't in a wheelchair.  The one who made it is self-diagnosed with such a mild form of Ehlers-Danlos - so mild that it doesn't impact her life in any way, other than giving her the abilithy to virtue signal by appropriating disability, and using it to get sham jobs like "disability consultant" and "sensitivity reader - she's the "disabled" version of Rachel Dolezal.

A wheelchair user did not create this, you twat.  But the creator has no problem attacking wheelchair users who have dared to criticized this nonsense, as "ableist", which goes even further to show you what kind of a trash person they are.

Is this legitimately the situation? She's a self diagnosed person larping as a real disabled person? Do you have a source for this?

If this is the case then my opinion on this whole situation can't possibly get any lower than it all ready is. That's just sick... it delegitimizes everything about the options of of actual disabled people. It's infuriating. It's like Elisabeth Warren getting grants and tuition for being native and taking the resources meant for actual native people. This person has to be mentally ill or they simple have no morals at all.

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Re: +1 Combat Wheelchair of "Representation"
« Reply #296 on: February 19, 2021, 06:39:38 AM »
......... This person has to be mentally ill or they simple have no morals at all.......

That one sentence sums up the entire woke movement. Until the millennial generation mental illness would be diagnosed and treated, now it is being nurtured and encouraged. To the point that a proportion of these people feel the need to totally invent or vastly exaggerate a minor diagnosis in the name of "inclusivity".

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Re: +1 Combat Wheelchair of "Representation"
« Reply #297 on: February 19, 2021, 09:48:13 AM »
What just makes me not want to even remotely want anything to do with such people is the absolute 1000% certainty that if some kind of cure for blindness would be free or affordable with no strings attached to no blind person or someone with a disability would be ever try to get it their disability cured. Words only spoken by those who have never had a disability or self-identify as disabled. Who in their right mind who has never seen or walked would refuse to get cured. To me as someone wearing glasses I would give almost everything to not have to wear them.

Even worse when they try and ignore the versatility of magic in a setting. With such "wisdom" as it's too expensive to get cured or other similar nonsense. maybe Joe the average farmer cannot afford it, Level 5 fighter has the party pool their resources to get a Cure Blindness spell cast. No matter the resources or the rules within a fantasy setting NO one can or would want to be cured. I would love to see their insanity when it comes to Science fiction backgrounds.

1: Pretty much this. But what we have had at least since the 70s where I first was exposed to it, there have been people who have pushed against cures and of course those who tale it further and decry even workarounds. I'd lay good odds that 80% or more of these people are not really handicapped and are "speaking for us" and 15% are handicapped but have been brainwashed to believe. And then theres the 5% who are handicapped and either self righteous because they were born so and its not really a handicap to them, or are actually deranged, or both.

2: Sci-fi, Cyberpunk, oh its there. There was bitching back in the 90s over some depictions of the handicapped in ST:TNG for example. And at least one episode of TNG preached about the "benefits" of having handicapped people and how wrong it is to totally cure everything. Horray!

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Re: +1 Combat Wheelchair of "Representation"
« Reply #298 on: February 19, 2021, 09:55:21 AM »
Is this legitimately the situation? She's a self diagnosed person larping as a real disabled person? Do you have a source for this?

If this is the case then my opinion on this whole situation can't possibly get any lower than it all ready is. That's just sick... it delegitimizes everything about the options of of actual disabled people. It's infuriating. It's like Elisabeth Warren getting grants and tuition for being native and taking the resources meant for actual native people. This person has to be mentally ill or they simple have no morals at all.

People faking being disabled is probably as old as civilization. Theres allways going to be those who want to parasite off this.

I know at least one artist who regularly scams customers and fans who hides behind the excuse that he is sick, or mentally ill.
Contrast this to another artist I know who can and will miss things. Except they explained the why and eventually get the work done. They have memory loss problems similar to a member in my gaming group some years ago.

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Re: +1 Combat Wheelchair of "Representation"
« Reply #299 on: February 19, 2021, 10:05:15 AM »
So very true. Same with my buddy. He can't  walk more than a few feet without his crutches. Every character he makes in every system does not replicate his disability.

I usually create characters that are hearing impaired. Why? Because thats all I've ever known. I just do not feel comfortable playing an ability I've never experienced. Whereas as the DM its totally different. I know others who do the same.

On the flip side I've never played a character who struggles to walk a straight line.  8)