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« Reply #240 on: September 01, 2020, 04:18:12 am »
After 24 pages we had to have learned something important about one another.  Can I get the TL:DR summary of what we learned. I'm interested in your summary take.
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« Reply #241 on: September 01, 2020, 04:36:33 am »
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I don't go to conventions, but what policing are you talking about? Like, people aren't allowed to go and promote games that don't fall under left-think ideology?


Some conventions have posted games forbidden to be played because of the author's wrongthink, and apparently its a growing trend thanks to SJW garbage. We had a thread about it last year where we were suggesting more games for their lists because they are total douche canoes.


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Can I get the TL:DR summary of what we learned. I'm interested in your summary take.


If we snap a BLM supporter's spine, they will thank us for making them extra special and that much closer to winning the Oppression Olympics.

Also, apparently the "Munchies" - freaks who get off making believe they're disabled - are now yet another glorious addition to the D&D "community" thanks to social media.

And Shark thinks wheelchair adventuring makes total sense and should be added to every fantasy campaign!

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« Reply #242 on: September 01, 2020, 05:12:49 am »
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I don't go to conventions, but what policing are you talking about? Like, people aren't allowed to go and promote games that don't fall under left-think ideology?


Its been popping up sporatically up till lockdowns pretty much put the kibosh on cons for now.

We've had cons removing events because either someone woke complained, or they got woke and nixed whatever was deemed "problematic". We've had cons flat out state certain things were now verboten. And in the early stages of this cult we saw things like seminars at cons and more. Then theres been several attempts to strongarm and in at least two cases, blackmail cons into bending knee.

Back in the 90s iteration of this I had the misfortune of being at ground zero of one of these hate groups attacks on a con that literally ended with us being policed at the con and security guards watching us in the RPG rooms. ARMED security guards. A year later they took over the con completely and booted anyone "offensive". And a year later the con was DOA.

Still my go-to example of just how bad this can get. And afterwards this group of course escalated to acts of violence and their version of cancel culture.

This is in part why I have zero tolerance for SJW cults and very little patience for anyone trying to say that it cant get "that" bad. Or that this isnt really a problem.

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« Reply #243 on: September 01, 2020, 05:14:48 am »
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After 24 pages we had to have learned something important about one another.  Can I get the TL:DR summary of what we learned. I'm interested in your summary take.

Beats me! Maybe that as usual YMMV but some seem to think that everyone should only play THE ONE TRUE WAY. ad nausium.

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« Reply #244 on: September 01, 2020, 06:15:55 am »
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So, does this mean we can't be Facebook friends?


More lies, fuck off, you are a Twatter denizen when you are not out burning buildings and "peacefully"  throwing  professional grade fireworks at cops.
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« Reply #245 on: September 02, 2020, 12:45:35 am »
More lies, fuck off, you are a Twatter denizen when you are not out burning buildings and "peacefully"  throwing  professional grade fireworks at cops.
Dude, uncool...unless you got proof.

Batman says he's a left-progressive, but even I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that he's not a domestic terrorist...unless you have proof otherwise.

I've had a few quiet conversations recently with "left-progressives" who didn't sign up for what's going down and as they say, it's been raining red pills. And based on Batman's posting history, I'm doubly willing to cut him some slack.

Also, has there been a more Alt-Right superhero in DC than the Dark Knight???

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« Reply #246 on: September 02, 2020, 04:24:19 am »
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So, does this mean we can't be Facebook friends?

More lies, fuck off, you are a Twatter denizen when you are not out burning buildings and "peacefully"  throwing  professional grade fireworks at cops.


Where's the lie though? I really don't go on Twitter, I find the platform annoying to navigate and ignore it almost completely. I also don't live anywhere near there's significant civil unrest. As for stances, I think it comes down to who's making the depiction and it varies a lot from an almost alt-right (vigilantism and pummeling of the desperate) to a position to antifa (conflict with law enforcement and established order). It's like trying to pin down my Alignment in D&D, it's difficult.
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« Reply #247 on: September 02, 2020, 04:31:16 am »
More lies, fuck off, you are a Twatter denizen when you are not out burning buildings and "peacefully"  throwing  professional grade fireworks at cops.
Dude, uncool...unless you got proof.

Batman says he's a left-progressive, but even I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that he's not a domestic terrorist...unless you have proof otherwise.

I've had a few quiet conversations recently with "left-progressives" who didn't sign up for what's going down and as they say, it's been raining red pills. And based on Batman's posting history, I'm doubly willing to cut him some slack.


I'm certainly not about throwing fireworks at police, I'm also not cool with shooting people in the face and body with rubber bullets either. I don't think there's currently a good solution to whats happening right now, but that's not exactly what this thread is about.


Also, has there been a more Alt-Right superhero in DC than the Dark Knight???


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« Reply #248 on: September 06, 2020, 10:50:04 am »
My biggest objection to the combat wheelchair, at least to its being common in a fantasy setting, is that mages or clerics could fix the problem, so you won't need them.

The major response seems to treat being broken as an identity, like race, and demand representation.

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« Reply #249 on: September 06, 2020, 06:51:55 pm »
Depends on the setting and what the PCs have access to. In say O and BX D&D regenerative spells do not exist. In AD&D and 2e there are spells. But they are higher level often and thus may not be easily had due to rarity of casters, or cost of having it cast being to high for the characters current funds. It is a similar problem as with Raise Dead. How common is it or not? The harder a cure is to get the more likely a workaround like a wheelchair or prosthetic will be sought.

I'd expect the common folk would be resorting to non-magical solutions quite a bit due to sheer cost alone.

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« Reply #250 on: September 06, 2020, 10:11:19 pm »
I was thinking that the wheelchair would have to be really expensive also. If not, then I can see it.

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« Reply #251 on: September 06, 2020, 10:48:31 pm »
Wheelchairs in some form go back quite a ways. They didnt hit their more recognizable form till much later though. Mostly just need someone willing to craft it. Not much different from a dog or pony cart probably. A cart or wagon maker might be the person to go to. Like alot of this stuff you'd need to hunt down someone to make it. They probably arent mass produced. But there might be craftsmen known for making good ones or the only ones.

They sure wont ever be combat viable or even wilderness viable without alot of effort. And even then that viability will be really limited without magic.
This is probably why the one in the article that sparked off these discussions is so mary-sued. It has to be to make the concept not fall totally apart as it would if the wheelchair werent tricked out to the gills.

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« Reply #252 on: September 06, 2020, 10:58:18 pm »
I was thinking that the wheelchair would have to be really expensive also. If not, then I can see it.
A quick check from a catalogue from the 1920s. A sulky for a dog or goat cost around 5$ (5$ more for the harness and tack for the animal)

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« Reply #253 on: September 07, 2020, 11:52:43 am »
Will this "sulky for a dog or goat" do well cross-country or in combat? If someone wanted to play a handicapped character or a character was injured in a way to handicap them, I would certainly allow such a thing but they would still be badly handicapped.

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« Reply #254 on: September 07, 2020, 03:09:31 pm »
Will this "sulky for a dog or goat" do well cross-country or in combat? If someone wanted to play a handicapped character or a character was injured in a way to handicap them, I would certainly allow such a thing but they would still be badly handicapped.
Thats what meant above when said that even with alot of effort its not really viable without magic. That sort of conveyance just wont work. Same as you cant take certain animals into a dungeon due simply to space limits anywhere corridors get too restricted for passage by a large beast. Or the simple fact that traps will be a serious problem.
The cart sort of conveyance though will allow traversing the less bothersome wilderness where a wheelchair is going to be a severe hassle for the user.

And was mostly in that post giving an example of how relatively cheap something like that could be.

Logistics can and will make certain things either not viable or flat out impossible without some workaround for the workaround as it were.
If the user themselves is a wizard or such then it makes alot more sense as they can probably prep some solution spells as contingencies.