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Title: 'Forgey' stuff in the UK?
Post by: Franklin on January 08, 2007, 10:43:23 am
I've been making an effort to read up on a lot of the theory on here and looking at some of the 'competition'. A lot of the 'Forgey' theory, sites and games come from the USA (it seems to me), but has this kind of thing spread to the UK?

Most of the games shops I know of stock a good range of RPGs, but I've almost never seen any of the 'non-traditional' games mentioned here on the shelves. I've also never met anyone who plays any of these games. or, at least, has never played more than once.

So, are there folks in the UK producing 'Forgey' games? I know Mongoose produce solid OGL stuff (not always my thing, but more power to them), there's that new Corporation RPG (which seems quite intriguing) and a|state from a few years back (but that seems to have disappeared off the map). Is it the case that the Uk is relatively free of what I'm increasingly seeing from reading a lot of threads and blogs as a bunch of pseudo-arty nonsense? Conversely, are there any good UK games that I might not have heard of?

Thanks
Frank
Title: 'Forgey' stuff in the UK?
Post by: Balbinus on January 08, 2007, 01:22:50 pm
Contenders is a current Forge favourite and is I think UK based.  Cold City is definitely UK based, it's from the guys who made A/State which is not at all a Forge game but post that they've got more into the Forge design philosophy.

As a general rule though, a lot of the Forge guys know each other in person and the ability to physically play together seems quite important, so it tends to be a US led phenomenon.
Title: 'Forgey' stuff in the UK?
Post by: GRIM on January 08, 2007, 02:41:44 pm
I think I'd characterise the difference between the UK Indy output and the Forge type output as 'Eccentric rather than pretentious'.
Title: 'Forgey' stuff in the UK?
Post by: J Arcane on January 08, 2007, 03:32:02 pm
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Most of the games shops I know of stock a good range of RPGs, but I've almost never seen any of the 'non-traditional' games mentioned here on the shelves. I've also never met anyone who plays any of these games. or, at least, has never played more than once.

Thing is, that's pretty much the case in the US as well.
Title: 'Forgey' stuff in the UK?
Post by: jhkim on January 08, 2007, 03:47:58 pm
Hogshead Publishing (with its "New Style" line of games) and Pelgrane Press (publishers of the Dying Earth RPG) are sort of predecessors to the Forge in their release of quirky narrative games.  I met a number of UK-based authors who were selling at the Forge booth at GenCon Indy this past year.  Here are some UK companies represented at the Forge booth and/or Indie Press Revolution.  

Gregor Hutton's BoxNinja - http://www.boxninja.com/
Jonathan Ridd's Cold Blooded Games - http://www.coldbloodedgames.com/
Contested Ground Studios - http://www.contestedground.co.uk/
JJ Prince's Prince of Darkness Games - http://www.princeofdarknessgames.com/
Andrew Kenrick's Steampower Publishing - http://www.steampowerpublishing.co.uk/

For a more complete listing, you can see my list of UK game companies:

http://www.darkshire.net/jhkim/rpg/companies/bycountry/UK.html
Title: 'Forgey' stuff in the UK?
Post by: Arminius on January 08, 2007, 06:03:42 pm
If Dead of Night (from Steampower) is available in the UK, you might want to check it out. It's not Forge, but it has some similarities.

A lot of the Forge and other independent/small press games are available as PDFs, some of them at very reasonable prices (around $10). So that might be a way to check some of them out without too much risk. Come to think of it, a few of them have free samples or demos, includes Capes and Sorcerer. And others have at least their alpha/"first draft" versions over at http://www.1km1kt.net/ , while others are available for free. Also, the Shadow of Yesterday is available completely free at Clinton Nixon's site.
Title: 'Forgey' stuff in the UK?
Post by: Franklin on January 09, 2007, 05:59:31 am
Thanks for all the info guys, it really is appreciated.

My main wonder in all this was whether or not the 'Forge/Indie' philosophy had spread across the Atlantic and how much it was affecting UK games. Unfortunately, it seem slike it has. I've checked out the links in this thread and it seems to me like a lot of these games a stupidly specific (boxers, I mean, come on!) or just the kind of thing that most people just wouldn't want to pla (teenage girls with issues? Not exactly a fun evening of gaming). More disappoitingly, it seems like a company I had previously liked (even though I thought they had disappeared, turns out they haven't) seem to have gone down the road of producing wanky, ultra-specific stuff.

So, are these guys just following the lead of the Forgites/indie crowd in the USA? Have British games companies lost their independence of thought and stuff? Seems to me like they have.

Then again, I might try to get a couple of these games (the cheap ones!) on PDF so I can see what they are like and speak from a position of knowledge. Know thine enemy and all that!

Thanks
Frank
Title: 'Forgey' stuff in the UK?
Post by: jhkim on January 09, 2007, 01:03:55 pm
Quote from: Franklin
So, are these guys just following the lead of the Forgites/indie crowd in the USA? Have British games companies lost their independence of thought and stuff? Seems to me like they have.

Then again, I might try to get a couple of these games (the cheap ones!) on PDF so I can see what they are like and speak from a position of knowledge. Know thine enemy and all that!

As I mentioned, the Hogshead "New Style" line predates the Forge.  The line includes Puppetland (1999), where you play puppets and every word you say while sitting at the table is in-character -- so rather than "I attack him" you say "I hit you, you nasty brute!  Take that!"  They also have The Extraordinary Adventures of Baron Munchausen (1998), which is a GMless game about swapping outlandish stories.  There was also Pantheon and Other Games (2000) -- a GMless system with five scenarios including a soap opera setup and gods creating a world out of nothing.  

If anything, the Forge has taken a fair bit of influence from these games.  It's also true, though, that games like Best Friends have been influenced by the Forge.  So it goes both ways.  

Then again, the American scene has always had influences back and forth with England on all levels.  Mongoose Publishing (based out of Wiltshire) certainly sells well in the U.S. and has a fair bit of influence, for example.
Title: 'Forgey' stuff in the UK?
Post by: blakkie on January 09, 2007, 01:13:16 pm
Quote from: J Arcane
Thing is, that's pretty much the case in the US as well.

That was certainly the case for me up to about a dozen years after D&D was first released. I'd never met anyone that had played it...that I know of. It is also the case for the majority of the games mentioned here. I don't even know anyone in the flesh that I know has played Traveller.

The numbers are relatively small. Maybe the internet is good for something other than pRon? Nah, couldn't be. :)
Title: 'Forgey' stuff in the UK?
Post by: J Arcane on January 09, 2007, 02:01:16 pm
Quote from: blakkie
That was certainly the case for me up to about a dozen years after D&D was first released. I'd never met anyone that had played it...that I know of. It is also the case for the majority of the games mentioned here. I don't even know anyone in the flesh that I know has played Traveller.

The numbers are relatively small. Maybe the internet is good for something other than pRon? Nah, couldn't be. :)

Can you do me a real favor, blakkie?  

Next time you wish to make yet another pathetic attempt at baiting the local audience, could you at least do so without quoting myself and others out of context?

That'd be great.  Ta!
Title: 'Forgey' stuff in the UK?
Post by: blakkie on January 09, 2007, 02:06:57 pm
Quote from: J Arcane
Can you do me a real favor, blakkie?  

Next time you wish to make yet another pathetic attempt at baiting the local audience, could you at least do so without quoting myself and others out of context?

That'd be great.  Ta!

If you'll do me a favour. Don't [incorrectly] assume I'm baiting by trying help put something into perspective.  Really, I didn't realize this was the "don't post any thought out decenting opinion that'll rock the boat" forum? Was that the point of these forums? If so I'd really like to hear about it?
Title: 'Forgey' stuff in the UK?
Post by: J Arcane on January 09, 2007, 02:17:00 pm
Quote from: blakkie
If you'll do me a favour. Don't [incorrectly] assume I'm baiting by trying help put something into perspective.  Really, I didn't realize this was the "don't post any thought out decenting opinion that'll rock the boat" forum? Was that the point of these forums? If so I'd really like to hear about it?
Yeah, cause post after post trashing on traditional games, or just baiting the Pundit, is so very "helpful".

Get over yourself, kid.  The act got old months ago.
Title: 'Forgey' stuff in the UK?
Post by: blakkie on January 09, 2007, 02:19:11 pm
Quote from: J Arcane
Yeah, cause post after post trashing on traditional games, or just baiting the Pundit, is so very "helpful".

WTF did I "trash" anything in that post???? Huh? Where?

Talk about getting over shit.
Title: 'Forgey' stuff in the UK?
Post by: J Arcane on January 09, 2007, 02:20:18 pm
Quote from: blakkie
WTF did I "trash" anything in that post???? Huh? Where?

Talk about getting over shit.
Here's another request, fuckstick.

NEVER treat me like I'm a fucking idiot.
Title: 'Forgey' stuff in the UK?
Post by: blakkie on January 09, 2007, 02:25:39 pm
Quote from: J Arcane
Here's another request, fuckstick.

NEVER treat me like I'm a fucking idiot.

How about not avoiding the question? Where?
Title: 'Forgey' stuff in the UK?
Post by: J Arcane on January 09, 2007, 02:32:58 pm
Quote from: blakkie
How about not avoiding the question? Where?

I don't make a habit of answering questions the asker already knows the answer to, especially when said question is a pathetic attempt to play the "innocent".  

I'm sorry, this conversation is over.  I will now do something I should've done months ago.  

Bye bye, have a nice life.
Title: 'Forgey' stuff in the UK?
Post by: blakkie on January 09, 2007, 02:36:31 pm
Quote from: J Arcane
I don't make a habit of answering questions the asker already knows the answer to.

Oh sure, I know the answer. Nowhere. Yes, I'm just calling you out on your total bullshit hissy fit to underline that point.
Title: 'Forgey' stuff in the UK?
Post by: J Arcane on January 09, 2007, 02:44:44 pm
You miserable, dishonest little cocksucker.

You can try and play facetious, and misrepresent your own motives in posting to this site, motives which I think are by and large clear to everyone here by now, but you do NOT get the priveledge of making any judgement upon me.
Title: 'Forgey' stuff in the UK?
Post by: blakkie on January 09, 2007, 02:50:25 pm
Quote from: J Arcane
You miserable, dishonest little cocksucker.

I'm dishonest? Well then answer the question, instead of giving a "oh you know" and then scurying off.  Where?
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You can try and play facetious, and misrepresent your own motives in posting to this site, motives which I think are by and large clear to everyone here by now, but you do NOT get the priveledge of making any judgement upon me.

What motives would that be?  The motive that you've made up in your head? Or my actual motive? Because it is quite apparent to me they are two very different things.  The former you seem unable to provide support for.
Title: 'Forgey' stuff in the UK?
Post by: Stumpydave on January 09, 2007, 04:02:38 pm
It's like watching Xander and Cordelia go at each other.  
And we know how that ended up :)
Title: 'Forgey' stuff in the UK?
Post by: RPGPundit on January 10, 2007, 01:06:42 am
Arcane: I got your little note about Blakkie.  Now, Blakkie is the master of passive-aggresive bullshit, and baiting with messages that are essentially trying to either snipe at me or at the stated preferences of this site and the majority of its readership.  In short, he's a shithead.

But it would have helped if you actually carried on to point out exactly how he's being a shithead: with the ridiculous assertion that he'd never met anyone who played D&D.
Yes, right Blakkie, you were a gamer but you never actually ran into anyone who played the single most played RPG in the history of time. :rolleyes:
Even if it was true it would be utterly fucking irrelevant; it would just mean that you were a fuckheaded ostrich with your head in the sand who had a very tiny social circle of fellow ostritches.  All it highlights is how utterly out of touch with reality and with the majority of real gamers you are, Blakkie.  And your only purpose for posting that was as a backbiting passive aggressive non-response to the much more believable and reasonable statement that most gaming stores don't stock Forge drivel, and that its rare to see anyone playing that junk.

There, was that so hard? I mean kudos to you J Arcane, for calling Blakkie the fucktard that he is, but really, you have to follow through and grind the fucker into the dirt, or he ends up being able to continue to not shut the fuck up about it, from a rhetorical point of view.  Its not hard, he makes it unbelievably fucking easy to call him out on his cretinous statements; he has so many of them.  So next time, please just go to the trouble of it.

RPGPundit
Title: 'Forgey' stuff in the UK?
Post by: J Arcane on January 10, 2007, 01:33:44 am
Point well taken, sir.  I was in a bit of a bad mood, and I tend to respond poorly to such blatant dishonesty.  I get this wierd little thread of angry optomism, thinking that if I just tell the guy he's a lying fucker, he'll actually admit it, instead of just digging in deeper.  

As a result, I let my even temper slip, and was not really functioning at my usual capacity.  

That alone is a point of disappointment in myself, for letting the little fucker get to me.
Title: 'Forgey' stuff in the UK?
Post by: Franklin on January 10, 2007, 05:58:09 am
Oooh, I was quite excited this morning when I saw the number of posts to this thread. I thought there might have been something interesting being said. Err...no. Some argument that obviously has a history of somekind that I haven't had the time to figure out what it is. Ho hum.

Anyway, in a spirit of research into Things I Know Naught Of, I have purchased a few PDFs of some of the aforementioned UK Forge games so I can see exactly what they are banging on about. I've also been tawling their sites to see what's what. Seems they have a real hate on for 'mundane' or 'traditional' RPGs. Well, we'll see how the stuff that they shovel out stands up to analysis once I've read through the PDFs.

Thanks
Franklin
Title: 'Forgey' stuff in the UK?
Post by: GRIM on January 10, 2007, 06:15:32 am
*pout*

People always seem to forget my stuff, but then I guess I'm not in either 'camp'.
Title: 'Forgey' stuff in the UK?
Post by: Hastur T. Fannon on January 10, 2007, 09:08:11 am
Quote from: GRIM
People always seem to forget my stuff, but then I guess I'm not in either 'camp'.


Your rather cool fusion of Runequest, CoC and WFRP doesn't really fit in a thread about "Forgey Games" ;)
Title: 'Forgey' stuff in the UK?
Post by: GRIM on January 10, 2007, 09:38:44 am
Quote from: Hastur T. Fannon
Your rather cool fusion of Runequest, CoC and WFRP doesn't really fit in a thread about "Forgey Games" ;)


Xpress does!

Dicepool, plug and play mechanics!
Or Urban Faerie! That's a very 'focussed' game!

Come on, give me some hate people :P
Title: 'Forgey' stuff in the UK?
Post by: Balbinus on January 10, 2007, 09:44:23 am
Quote from: Hastur T. Fannon
Your rather cool fusion of Runequest, CoC and WFRP doesn't really fit in a thread about "Forgey Games" ;)


What's that?
Title: 'Forgey' stuff in the UK?
Post by: jrients on January 10, 2007, 10:15:10 am
Quote from: GRIM
*pout*

People always seem to forget my stuff, but then I guess I'm not in either 'camp'.


Well, obviously you need to quit designing like RPGs were a continuum of possibilities and joined one extremist camp or the other.  How else are we going to have a war around here?
Title: 'Forgey' stuff in the UK?
Post by: Balbinus on January 10, 2007, 10:38:40 am
The Contested Ground guys who made A/State and Cold City are very nice people, I've met them and I can't imagine them hating anything.  For them at least they're just making games that fire their imagination, one might not like a particular game but there's no war there.  Just guys making games they like.
Title: 'Forgey' stuff in the UK?
Post by: Hastur T. Fannon on January 10, 2007, 10:39:40 am
Quote from: Balbinus
What's that?


Check the link in his sig.  GRIM has the rights to the British 1990's RPG "Blood!", has revamped the system and is pretty close to releasing it.  System-wise, think of a horror-oriented Runequest with Warhammer's critical hit's tables (I believe there are two separate critical tables for "Power Tools" and a dedicated "Chainsaw" table).  Theme-wise think "Dog Soldiers" or "28 Days Later" though it's equally good at doing "Saw", "The Thing" or any horror movie

(full disclosure: I'm doing some creature conversions and other donkey work for him)
Title: 'Forgey' stuff in the UK?
Post by: GRIM on January 10, 2007, 10:51:07 am
Quote from: Hastur T. Fannon
Check the link in his sig.  GRIM has the rights to the British 1990's RPG "Blood!", has revamped the system and is pretty close to releasing it.  System-wise, think of a horror-oriented Runequest with Warhammer's critical hit's tables (I believe there are two separate critical tables for "Power Tools" and a dedicated "Chainsaw" table).  Theme-wise think "Dog Soldiers" or "28 Days Later" though it's equally good at doing "Saw", "The Thing" or any horror movie

(full disclosure: I'm doing some creature conversions and other donkey work for him)


Well, the main book is actually out :)

At the moment I'm supporting it with a RuneQuest and d20 Modern conversion of the existing creatures from the main rule book (to expose people to the game and to get a bit of cross-market) and then we'll be moving on to new critters and hopefully the future or medieval setting book later in the year.

*Insert shameless whoring*
BLOOD! (http://www.rpgnow.com/default.php?manufacturers_id=516&filter_id=1894&)

Leisuregames have a limited number of hardcopies for sale incidentally, and some of my other stuff in hardcopy.
Title: 'Forgey' stuff in the UK?
Post by: Hastur T. Fannon on January 10, 2007, 11:11:58 am
Quote from: GRIM
Well, the main book is actually out :)


Well, somebody needs to update their website then :p
Title: 'Forgey' stuff in the UK?
Post by: GRIM on January 10, 2007, 11:16:28 am
Quote from: Hastur T. Fannon
Well, somebody needs to update their website then :p


I'm having a new version made up for me, so I am. So ner :P
Title: 'Forgey' stuff in the UK?
Post by: Franklin on January 11, 2007, 06:10:12 am
Hey Grim, I'm not familiar with your stuff, but I'll be sure to check it out.

I've been working through some of the PDFs I've bought recently and have been very, very disappointed. Two in particular (the two that Ive managed to wade through so far) have really annoyed me. I don't know if anyone else has heard of 'Contenders'? It apparently won a competition on the Forge but i can't see why. The first thing that hit me was that there is no GM, hardly any rules for anything and no guidance for creating adventures. It makes no sense and the guy that created it has the cheek to put 'roleplaying game' on the cover. Really, no GM. How the hell does that work? It doesnt as far as I can see.

The other one has left me even more disappointed because its written by someone whos stuff I liked before. Now it seems hes been supping from the Forge trough. Its called 'Cold City' and even though it has a GM (a step up from Contenders, I suppose) it goes on about narrative (just say what you mean - call it an adventure!), stakes (whatever they are really meant to be - I understand this is a trend in forgey games?) and all that. And I hate to say it but Malcolm craig obviously knows very little about the Cold War or Nazi Germany. Thats pretty apparent from the game.

From what Ive been reading the forge thing is getting just as bad on this side of the pond as it is in the US. Im really very disappointed that our home grown games talent has to follow like sheep and not do something on their own.

Thanks
Frank
Title: 'Forgey' stuff in the UK?
Post by: blakkie on January 14, 2007, 06:46:02 pm
Quote from: RPGPundit
But it would have helped if you actually carried on to point out exactly how he's being a shithead: with the ridiculous assertion that he'd never met anyone who played D&D.

Ridiculous? Point of fact it was true. *shrug* Never had met anyone till the second half of the 80's that had actually played the game. Or at least no one that admitted, or any other RPG game. *shrug*  How is that so ridiculous?

So bringing up relavent information is now passive-agressive? It's an incovenient fact or something? As opposed to your mindless thread crapping. Oh, and so JArcane's initial post was a passive-agressive then too I guess? Just a couple of whining hypocritic kids. :rolleyes: :pundit:
Title: 'Forgey' stuff in the UK?
Post by: RPGPundit on January 14, 2007, 09:28:32 pm
Quote from: blakkie
Ridiculous? Point of fact it was true. *shrug* Never had met anyone till the second half of the 80's that had actually played the game. Or at least no one that admitted, or any other RPG game. *shrug*  How is that so ridiculous?


If you were a gamer, and assuming your gaming group wasn't completely insular, its patently ridiculous.

RPGPundit
Title: 'Forgey' stuff in the UK?
Post by: GRIM on January 15, 2007, 04:02:03 am
Quote from: RPGPundit
If you were a gamer, and assuming your gaming group wasn't completely insular, its patently ridiculous.

RPGPundit


I didn't run into D&D until well into my gaming career. I was only aware of its existence through adverts in 2000AD.
Title: 'Forgey' stuff in the UK?
Post by: Balbinus on January 15, 2007, 05:14:41 am
Quote from: RPGPundit
If you were a gamer, and assuming your gaming group wasn't completely insular, its patently ridiculous.

RPGPundit


Not necessarily, my gaming group in the 1980s did play DnD because that was the first game that anyone bought, but had we started with something else I can see it could have been years before we'd met a DnD player.

Unlikely sure, but the world is full of unlikely things.
Title: 'Forgey' stuff in the UK?
Post by: warren on January 15, 2007, 05:47:57 am
Quote from: RPGPundit
If you were a gamer, and assuming your gaming group wasn't completely insular, its patently ridiculous.

RPGPundit
Likewise, I started roleplaying with TSR's Basic Marvel Super Heroes set in '85-86 that I pestered my folks into buying for me from Toys R Us after seeing ads for it in my Spiderman comics. I had no idea what roleplaying was, and hadn't heard of D&D. I formed a group with some friends from school, and started playing and stumbled onto the broader hobby. But...

I've been a member of three or four games clubs over the years, and been a part of dozen of groups. And none of them showed any interest in playing D&D (Most people I have met tended to mainly play stuff like Traveller, Paranoia, CoC, Champions, Star Wars D6, WHFRP and so on for the first ten years and then various White Wolf stuff since the early 90's) until I joined a new group about 6 months ago. So that's twenty or so years, playing in dozens of different groups, without finding a group that wanted to play D&D.

EDIT: Just to make things clear, some of the people may well have played D&D in the past, but there was little to no desire (in the groups/clubs I was part of) to actually play it.

(This is in the UK, if that makes any difference.)
Title: 'Forgey' stuff in the UK?
Post by: Melinglor on January 15, 2007, 05:59:18 am
I might as well offer up some data here. Like Wartren, I got my start on Marvel Super-heroes. Like Max, I had the same group through adolescence with no contact with anyone else who played. . .and we didn't play D&D. The older kid who showed me MSH did, but he was never part of our group. So we played what we had, with who we had, and it wasn't until college, in 1999, at age 24, that I actually played D&D and had any significant contact with D&D-savvy gamers. So I can see the possibility of growing up absent any D&Ders. Gaming has always been a pretty grassroots and irregular hobby.

Peace,
-Joel
Title: 'Forgey' stuff in the UK?
Post by: David R on January 15, 2007, 05:59:58 am
Quote from: RPGPundit
If you were a gamer, and assuming your gaming group wasn't completely insular, its patently ridiculous.

RPGPundit


I started with Traveller and for fantasy we used RQ and then we played D&D. I mean, D&D was popular, but when I started gaming half the group hadn't heard of it because we were so caught up in the campaigns we were running/playing with these two systems and were not really thinking about other games. For SF with had Traveller and fantasy RQ - we were good to go :)

Regards,
David R
Title: 'Forgey' stuff in the UK?
Post by: J Arcane on January 15, 2007, 12:36:19 pm
Quote from: Balbinus
Not necessarily, my gaming group in the 1980s did play DnD because that was the first game that anyone bought, but had we started with something else I can see it could have been years before we'd met a DnD player.

Unlikely sure, but the world is full of unlikely things.
I think the point for me, regarding blakkie's comment, is not how likely it is, or even whether it's true or not (though I would vernture as to guess it's a bald-faced lie).  

It's more that blakkie has made it abundantly clear as long as I've been posting here that his only role on this site is to basically make a hamfisted attempt at playing the role of one of Pundit's "Swine", and his backhanded little comment was an excellent example of the kind of shit he pulls all the time.
Title: 'Forgey' stuff in the UK?
Post by: blakkie on January 28, 2007, 10:09:10 am
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If you were a gamer, and assuming your gaming group wasn't completely insular, its patently ridiculous.

Where did I say I played P&P games then? I played games, card, board, and computer games. I was the second kid in our school to have a home computer, and the other was the Algerbra teacher's kid and they had no real interest in computers. Hrmm, so I guess I did play RPGs before I played played D&D. Yup, I'm freaking ancient and I still played CRPGs before P&P. Of course I didn't really care much for CRPGs, and still don't. *shrug*

Now if I knew that other P&P games even existed? If I knew about Traveller I might have tried to find it. Who knows.

But my point was that media coverage, general or niche, tends to outreach some people's immediate surroundings. Hell there was even a TV movie of the week a number of years before I met anyone that played D&D. Of course my cousin almost played D&D once in the early 80's (a humourous story for another time), so I guess it was close to happening. *shrug* But such is the nature of news and entertainment media, it is what is suppose to do.

With my other example Traveller, and it is just an example no slight ment by it, I've played P&P for quite some time now and still have to see it in action or talk to anyone in the flesh about it. Yet it has even made small appearances outside gaming media coverage.

Ironically, though I hadn't mentioned it before, in the course of playing "traditional" games I personally have run into people that have played other IPR games. I wouldn't expect that to translate to the norm of course or it being "patently ridiculous" or going around calling people liar based of absolutely fuck all. But hey, that's just me. :o
Quote from: J Arcane
(though I would vernture as to guess it's a bald-faced lie).

You venture-out-your-ass wrong, again!
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It's more that blakkie has made it abundantly clear as long as I've been posting here that his only role on this site is to basically make a hamfisted attempt at playing the role of one of Pundit's "Swine", and his backhanded little comment was an excellent example of the kind of shit he pulls all the time.

It wasn't backhanded at all. Of course you might see it that way if you intended your initial post to be backhanded or an attack.....which bring us back to you being a whining hypocritical kid.

So to sum up and wrap up, to your request for me to stop posting non-threaddumping, on-topic response to a post that you voluntarily are making I can only answer: Go get bent you "little cocksucker". :rolleyes:
Title: 'Forgey' stuff in the UK?
Post by: RPGPundit on January 28, 2007, 04:03:37 pm
Quote from: blakkie
Where did I say I played P&P games then? I played games, card, board, and computer games. I was the second kid in our school to have a home computer, and the other was the Algerbra teacher's kid and they had no real interest in computers. Hrmm, so I guess I did play RPGs before I played played D&D. Yup, I'm freaking ancient and I still played CRPGs before P&P. Of course I didn't really care much for CRPGs, and still don't. *shrug*


So... your argument evidencing for D&D's lack of popularity is that, before you were an RPG gamer, you weren't around people who played D&D?

Yeah, ok, that's just spectacular. Clearly, your argument is ironclad.

RPGPundit
Title: 'Forgey' stuff in the UK?
Post by: blakkie on January 28, 2007, 04:31:17 pm
Quote from: RPGPundit
So... your argument evidencing for D&D's lack of popularity is that, before you were an RPG gamer, you weren't around people who played D&D?

WTF are you talking about? :confused: :confused: :confused: Um, I was talking about it being uncommon to run into people in the general public that had played D&D relative to encountering people that had heard something about D&D via the general public media (distorted or not). What was it then, maybe a few 1/10ths of a percentage of people that had played the game?

P.S. On the subject of the TV-movie Mazes and Monsters I vaguely recall seeing it and came away with the distinct impression of 'wow, that kid showed up broken'. The movie didn't seem to link his problems that closely to having played the game? Or was that just me?
Title: 'Forgey' stuff in the UK?
Post by: J Arcane on January 28, 2007, 05:03:57 pm
Which interestingly enough comes full circle around to the fact that what you just said has nothing whatsoever to do with what either I or Warthur or Pundit were saying.

He, and I, were both talking about popularity in terms of their familiarity with actual gamers and game stores.

He wasn't talking about "general public media".  Nor do I see a reason why I should give a flying fuck about the "general public media", or what the point of your little rambling is, except to assume as per usual that this is another attempt to slam at D&D, which would certainly keep with your posting habits.

Do you even read the posts in the fucking thread before you go off on this idiotic little tangents?
Title: 'Forgey' stuff in the UK?
Post by: blakkie on January 28, 2007, 05:17:14 pm
Quote from: J Arcane
Which interestingly enough comes full circle around to the fact that what you just said has nothing whatsoever to do with what either I or Warthur or Pundit were saying.

Er, it was a general comment about media. How this stuff works. What is suppose to do. Although in the case of Traveller it is a very direct comparison.
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He wasn't talking about "general public media".

However the principle does certainly pertain. It be on topic.
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Nor do I see a reason why I should give a flying fuck about the "general public media", or what the point of your little rambling is

Hey, if you aren't interested in the topic why should you even post at all!
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except to assume as per usual that this is another attempt to slam at D&D, which would certainly keep with your posting habits.

Oh, my habits? Those would be the ones that include having good things to say about D&D (particular 3/3.5)? So what if I don't constantly and without fail:
1) pine about the good ol' days
2) praise every (A)D&D turd that happens to float down the pipe
3) mention a game in a neutral sense
Once again: Go....get....bent.
Title: 'Forgey' stuff in the UK?
Post by: J Arcane on January 28, 2007, 05:23:16 pm
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Hey, if you aren't interested in the topic why should you even post at all!


Wow.  You really didn't read the thread, did you?  You apparently didn't even bother to read the OP. (http://www.therpgsite.com/forums/showpost.php?p=62022&postcount=1)

Either that or you have the reading comprehension skills of a gnat on speed.
Title: 'Forgey' stuff in the UK?
Post by: blakkie on January 28, 2007, 06:04:50 pm
Quote from: J Arcane
Wow.  You really didn't read the thread, did you?  You apparently didn't even bother to read the OP. (http://www.therpgsite.com/forums/showpost.php?p=62022&postcount=1)

Either that or you have the reading comprehension skills of a gnat on speed.

Oddly enough not only did I read it and grasp it, but it's RPGPundit that seems to be having the hardest time picking stuff up. With a close second to you. :D

I'm curious though where you live and what kinds of stores you go to? Because I have seen a number of IPR books on the shelf. At least in places where I'd find anything even close to the assortment of RPG games talked about here. Like, um, Traveller. :)  EDIT: I live in Canada, not the US. But I really doubt that has much bearing on it.