I dropped that on SJG's Ogre Designer's Edition KS. Almost 100 times what I payed for my first copy, $2.95 all those years ago. And from what I understand that beast was selling very very close to production cost when all was said and done.  I don't know but that MCG may be in a similar situation with Invisible Sun. High production value, limited run, niche game.

Okay, I missed one, Villains and Vigilantes in a new boxed edition with, you guessed it, miniatures.

Edit* Though really, one inch busts of the character's heads would be most appropriate.  V&V always assumed table top play and included counter sheets in most of its adventures, with one inch portraits of the characters.

Expensive and overpriced are not interchangeable terms.  Some people in the hobby seem incapable of grasping this.

I haven't decided yet if Invisible Sun is expensive or overpriced. It is priced at more than what I want to pay for what it appears to offer me. I would probably be willing to pay fifty for a full pdf only version. It is intriguing, just not two-hundred dollars worth.

The problem with overpriced and worth is they are purely subjective.  You could claim a game gives you more minis for x money, or has thicker pages, or compare color vs. black and white, or production cost vs. retail cost, but after every possible hard dollar and cent fact has been gathered, people will still buy it or not depending on its subjective worth to them.

Nostalgia is expensive, and maybe overpriced also.

So, was looking at this Kickstarter today. A friend had sent me the link since the write-up reminded him of elements of my old Mage and Kult campaigns. Honestly, it looks very pretty, but I have games that cover this territory already. Also I never seem to enjoy running other people's campaigns. I inevitably put my on spin on the events, so the directed campaign doesn't really interest me. It's pretty much a pass for me.

One thing that struck me as interesting about Invisible Sun was the deck of cards. They looked awfully similar to the cards used in the game Everway. The scant description of their use also seems reminiscent of that. Was Cook involved in Everway?

Also, I'm a child of the 80s so now I have that damn Police song stuck in my head.

I'm a huge Cypher fan and love Numenera, The Strange and Gods of the Fall, so I was excited about IS. They would've had my money if the KS wasn't a fiddly fucking mess with moronic prestige awards based on third party social media. Secrets are fine, but give them to me to hand out. Don't obfuscate the important aspects of the game because it's "Ermegerd! Kewl!". It's not. It's annoying. I've asked simple questions repeatedly and have yet to receive anything more than, "Soon...". Fuck that.

If I can get it next November, I probably will. There is no reason to buy it now. You get jack and shit extra for the base pledge. Very cool looking game...abysmal KS.

Quote from: jux;913405Mindless drones, who worship Monte because of D&D 3.5 days.

What I don't get is why Tweet isn't treated with the same reverence? I mean, he probably had a lot more to do with the actually GOOD ideas in 3e, based on everything he produced before and after vs. what Cook has produced.

Quote from: RPGPundit;915630What I don't get is why Tweet isn't treated with the same reverence? I mean, he probably had a lot more to do with the actually GOOD ideas in 3e, based on everything he produced before and after vs. what Cook has produced.

Wondered that too. But Tweet for some reason allways rubbed me the wrong way. I think some of his magazine articles were good. But his RPG writing to me at least allways comes off... not right. Unlike Cook though he doesnt seem to be cashing in on his name (or at least as much). And more riding on the merits of his work. (what little I've seen) Which I respect.

How about he actually writes and produces the game, and then we decide if it's worth it?

I realise this is all free market capitalist and therefore unfashionable these days where everyone just appeals to our sense of charity, but I'm old-fashioned, what can I say.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;915671How about he actually writes and produces the game, and then we decide if it's worth it?

I realise this is all free market capitalist and therefore unfashionable these days where everyone just appeals to our sense of charity, but I'm old-fashioned, what can I say.

There's nothing uncapitalistic about making your customers take the investment risk. It's just really clever, ruthless free market practice.

Quote from: RPGPundit;915630What I don't get is why Tweet isn't treated with the same reverence? I mean, he probably had a lot more to do with the actually GOOD ideas in 3e, based on everything he produced before and after vs. what Cook has produced.

Too much of a Storygames designer.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;915671How about he actually writes and produces the game, and then we decide if it's worth it?

I realise this is all free market capitalist and therefore unfashionable these days where everyone just appeals to our sense of charity, but I'm old-fashioned, what can I say.

For me what MCG have already said about the game and how they are putting out information on the game world are a real turn off. The cost is not that much more than the slipcase for Call of Cthulhu 7e, $129.99. D&D 5e has an MSRP of $149.85 for the three core books, plus $14.95 for the GM screen.  So IS is priced about market standard for a high end RPG. It does offer a pretty good lot of stuff in the box.

It's just being presented in an elitist and deliberately obfuscatory manner that putting many of us off.

Quote from: DavetheLost;915685It's just being presented in an elitist and deliberately obfuscatory manner that putting many of us off.

I actually agree with Dave here.