So this is my major bone of contention here, I often have no idea what games have been declared 'storygames' by Pundit as there's no set of standards from what I can tell that would allow me to logically infer these things. That others consider games story games that I don't is up to the people running the site, I accept. Its their sandbox, but for those of us not interested in the drama currently surrounding this issue or the 'war on swine', I think it would be nice, even necessary, to have a point of reference to know what one can and can't discuss in what forum w/o being accused of acts of terrorism.

Hence this thread, here to create a list of what rpgs a person needs to go to 'other games to discuss w/o fear of reprisal.

Some are obvious:

Smallville
Marvel Heroic Role playing
Bliss Stage
Apocalypse World
Baron Munchausen

Others less so:
Dungeonworld
Red Box Hack
Car Wars

Its been suggested The One Ring is considered a story game on these boards, can anyone confirm?

What else?

How about any of the following RPGs?

Are Magic a
Burning Wheel
The Story Engine
Any variation of Fate
Never where
Dogs in the Vineyard
Maid
Poison'd
Alyria
Lady Blackbird
The Pool
The Window
Nobilis
Theatrix
Over the Edge
Panels
Active Exploits
Agon
Capes
Ghostbusters
Dead Weight
Destiny
Technoir
Eoris
Anima
Little Fears
Puppetland
Underworld
Cthulhutech
Wicked Age
Wuthering Heights
Trail of Cthulhu
Teenagers from Outer Space
Dread
Two-Fisted Tales

From what I gather, it's any time there's a codified mechanic that forces the GM to allow the players some sort of direct control over the conduct of the game.

If that's not criteria, it's probably a good red flag.

But I would be interested to learn more about this as well.

We know FATE isn't considered a story-game on this site.

We know Dungeon World, TBZ, AW, Dogs in the Vineyard, Maid, and Poison'd are considered a story-game on this site.

Although does it really matter?  If you post in the wrong place, it gets moved.  Not even GW got banned for putting a "Other Game" in RPGs, he got banned for putting non-RPG related stuff in Media after being repeatedly told not to.

What it comes down to is, if you really care about talking about a specific game, you'll talk about it.

If what is more important to you is where you talk about it, well then you're just here to wage war against the Pundit and we all know how successful that will be on his own site.

Hell, if you are that concerned about the classification about an Other Game, open up a thread and actually make a case.  "Savage Worlds has Bennies!" isn't a case.

Turn Other Games into the sewer you claim it is if you feel the overwhelming need, but you're the one making it that way, and you could have done differently except the tantrum appears more important.

Quote from: mcbobbo;668636From what I gather, it's any time there's a codified mechanic that forces the GM to allow the players some sort of direct control over the conduct of the game.

So there are no story games in existence then?

Words in a book cannot force anyone to do anything.

Quote from: CRKrueger;668667Although does it really matter?  If you post in the wrong place, it gets moved.  Not even GW got banned for putting a "Other Game" in RPGs, he got banned for putting non-RPG related stuff in Media after being repeatedly told not to.

What it comes down to is, if you really care about talking about a specific game, you'll talk about it.

If what is more important to you is where you talk about it, well then you're just here to wage war against the Pundit and we all know how successful that will be on his own site.

Hell, if you are that concerned about the classification about an Other Game, open up a thread and actually make a case.  "Savage Worlds has Bennies!" isn't a case.

Turn Other Games into the sewer you claim it is if you feel the overwhelming need, but you're the one making it that way, and you could have done differently except the tantrum appears more important.

+1

Also, in the spirit of the current muck-slinging, i know not what these 'stroygames' are that you speak of.

Quote from: One Horse Town;668718+1

Also, in the spirit of the current muck-slinging, i know not what these 'stroygames' are that you speak of.

At a guess, they are a subset of storygames that cannot afford a proofreader. ;o)

Quote from: jadrax;668725At a guess, they are a subset of storygames that cannot afford a proofreader. ;o)

Another proof storygames are rpgs.

Quote from: CRKrueger;668667Although does it really matter?  

Nothing on this site or to do with rpgs 'really matters'. I talk about things that interest me or seek out conversations that I enjoy, but its just a bunch of silly games when it comes down to it.

QuoteTurn Other Games into the sewer you claim it is if you feel the overwhelming need, but you're the one making it that way, and you could have done differently except the tantrum appears more important.

You must be confusing me with someone else, since this isn't based on anything I said.

Threadcrappers aside, I see a value in a list, since as it stands there are no standards being universally communicated or applied.  

The whole 'post where you want and let the mods move it' argument is a bit odd, especially to hear endorsed by a mod, the day after Pundit called another poster a terrorist for essentially saying the same damn thing, and threatened to ban anyone who followedhis advice.

Quote from: TristramEvans;668870Threadcrappers aside, I see a value in a list, since as it stands there are no standards being universally communicated or applied.  

The whole 'post where you want and let the mods move it' argument is a bit odd, especially to hear endorsed by a mod, the day after Pundit called another poster a terrorist for essentially saying the same damn thing, and threatened to ban anyone who followedhis advice.

There's a difference between saying "if you aren't sure if a game is a Storygame or an RPG (as if its that hard to tell!) then you can post where you like and we'll move it for you if you posted wrong"...

and saying "We should all post threads about games ALREADY ESTABLISHED as storygames in the main forum just to fuck with the mods... and by "we" I mean 'you', so that you get banned and I don't!"

RPGPundit

Well, i was agreeing with the sentiment of the post and that one slipped me by.

I can't speak for the Pundit, but i think there won't be a list - that way lies RPGnet types of accumulation of rules and by default rules-lawyering.

Post a thread where you truly think it belongs on this site, not where you think in your own stick it to the man ideology, it belongs.

Let's face it, if it comes from a Forge/storygames writer, you most likely know where it should go.

If you start putting stuff like WFRP in here because, you know, Fate Points! then you're being a silly arse looking for a fight. You know it, we know it.

Those that fall in the cracks - well Pundit can deal with those as and when he feels like it IMO.

Quote from: TristramEvans;668631How about any of the following RPGs?

Teenagers from Outer Space

This is not a storygame by any stretch of the imagination. It is a tabletop RPG pure and simple.

Quote from: mcbobbo;668636From what I gather, it's any time there's a codified mechanic that forces the GM to allow the players some sort of direct control over the conduct of the game.

If that's not criteria, it's probably a good red flag.

But I would be interested to learn more about this as well.

That would probably be the way I define the mysterious elusive story game.


And mechanics that give players control over the gm would be the reason story games don't work for me.