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Re: Wasteland 3 *sigh*
« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2020, 09:32:20 AM »
Ah, the Sophie's Choice dilemma! Very thespy. Just what we look forward to in an adventure.
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Re: Wasteland 3 *sigh*
« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2020, 07:49:26 PM »
TheSheeep - if this game is not really written extremely antagonistically to conservatives, why the Gipper town where they mock Reagan, capitalism, Christianity incessantly and trot out the old right wing = Fascists canard? And of course, the robot faction has a communist utopia. It must all be in my head. I'm merely imagining the antagonism.  ::)


Back to game terms unrelated to the prejudices of the writers. if you go against the "Gipper" faction, why isn't there an option to talk down the peons after you kill their leader and dismantle their "god"? Nope, you are forced to kill every single one of them or you can't finish the quest. Stupid, sloppy. The RPG aspects are extremely railroaded here.

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Re: Wasteland 3 *sigh*
« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2020, 01:00:32 AM »
TheSheeep - if this game is not really written extremely antagonistically to conservatives, why the Gipper town where they mock Reagan, capitalism, Christianity incessantly and trot out the old right wing = Fascists canard? And of course, the robot faction has a communist utopia. It must all be in my head. I'm merely imagining the antagonism.  ::) 

Reagan, capitalism and Christianity are all perfectly mockable (I'd say all things are perfectly mockable). I don't see the problem here, as long as it isn't the only thing they do in the game.
Which they don't, as "robot communist utopia" (I wouldn't really call that a utopia, but whatever) is a mock in itself.


So, yeah, it really is all in your head. You're choosing to interpret what you see in the fashion that is most offensive to you.
They must have done that to shove it to those conservatives, right?! Those darn liberals!!!! *foaming* ::)
My suggestion would be to not do that, but you do you I guess.


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Back to game terms unrelated to the prejudices of the writers. if you go against the "Gipper" faction, why isn't there an option to talk down the peons after you kill their leader and dismantle their "god"? Nope, you are forced to kill every single one of them or you can't finish the quest. Stupid, sloppy. The RPG aspects are extremely railroaded here.
Yeah, that sucked. And I found there are a few cases like that. Very unfortunate and definitely shaves some % off the rating IMO.

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Re: Wasteland 3 *sigh*
« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2020, 11:08:45 AM »
Reagan, capitalism and Christianity are all perfectly mockable (I'd say all things are perfectly mockable). I don't see the problem here, as long as it isn't the only thing they do in the game.
Well, I'm only 10th level but so far that's the only thing they are doing in the game. The point for me isn't so much who they are mocking but, rather, how current year (or, really, 2018) this game feels. You've got all cops are bad, all refugees are good, rich people don't like refugees because they don't want to share, and a charismatic leader that loves the flag and America so he's obviously evil. Heck the guys name is literally "The Patriarch". All you need is a mission about trans rights and the game would have 100% of all 2018 clich├ęs.


As I said before, that wouldn't be so bad if the actual gameplay was decent or the writing was good.

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Re: Wasteland 3 *sigh*
« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2020, 11:35:31 AM »
Reagan, capitalism and Christianity are all perfectly mockable (I'd say all things are perfectly mockable). I don't see the problem here, as long as it isn't the only thing they do in the game.
Which they don't, as "robot communist utopia" (I wouldn't really call that a utopia, but whatever) is a mock in itself.

They don't do it particularly well. Reagan was not a Fascist. They love to pretend he was an idiot when he was the best President of the last 60+ years. Capitalism is the worst of all economic systems except every other one which has been tried. And the same people that mock traditional religion often replace it with the religions of secular humanism, socialism, and big government progression. It's also tedious to bear the constant hypocrisy of people who bash capitalism but live making money off capitalism.

And how is the robot utopia a mock? The robots are more "humane" than the humans. No wonder everyone sides with them when everyone else is completely psychotic.


My suggestion would be to not do that, but you do you I guess.
You are free to ignore the antagonism to traditional values that is everywhere in our culture. This game has it way more than the level that was in Wasteland 1 or 2. When idiots are literally burning, looting, murdering daily to tear down capitalism, traditionalism, and the West, I really don't need it in my video games. I funded it for $39 back in 2016 before TDS really took off. Now, I certainly wouldn't pay $60 for it today.



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Re: Wasteland 3 *sigh*
« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2020, 11:55:42 AM »
Reagan, capitalism and Christianity are all perfectly mockable (I'd say all things are perfectly mockable). I don't see the problem here, as long as it isn't the only thing they do in the game.
and a charismatic leader that loves the flag and America so he's obviously evil. Heck the guys name is literally "The Patriarch".
I don't want to spoil anything, but IMO by the end of the game you get a much clearer picture of Buchanan and that is definitely none of evil (IMO more one of someone who had some lapses in judgement, did some bad things to do good).
Besides, you can join the guy and get "his" ending - they wouldn't have done that if his faction was considered pure evil. And - no plot spoilers - his ending isn't evil at all (IMO it is much more sensible than the alternatives).


They do have "pure evil" factions and those you (afaik) cannot join.


You are really interpreting too much into it here.
Though I agree they do paint The Patriarch as fairly vile early on - which might be on purpose to later find out he's not that bad, hard to tell.
Also, choosing that faction name was practically begging people to jump to the same conclusions you did, not very clever on their (the dev's) part.


They don't do it particularly well. Reagan was not a Fascist. They love to pretend he was an idiot when he was the best President of the last 60+ years. Capitalism is the worst of all economic systems except every other one which has been tried. And the same people that mock traditional religion often replace it with the religions of secular humanism, socialism, and big government progression. It's also tedious to bear the constant hypocrisy of people who bash capitalism but live making money off capitalism.
That tangent was so big, I had to call NASA to get you back to Earth...
Sorry, man, but you're coming off as a bit too much of a broken record to me to continue getting deeper into this with you.

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Re: Wasteland 3 *sigh*
« Reply #21 on: September 24, 2020, 12:05:57 PM »

That tangent was so big, I had to call NASA to get you back to Earth...
Sorry, man, but you're coming off as a bit too much of a broken record to me to continue getting deeper into this with you.
Guess you didn't read any of the flavor text of the gipper faction NPC's or the story books you find or anything huh?


My argument is simply this: I don't want politics in my video games. If you have to put politics in the game, try to be balanced and poke both sides. (not likely to happen and didn't happen here)


In other gameplay silliness, what the heck is a medical dart? And how do the enemies throw them through walls?
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