Quote from: jhkim;701817and this particular accusation is nonsense.

Please do not lie about me on the internet, JHkim

Sexual harassment is, in many places, a felony. And Luke accused Holmes of abetting it.

QuoteThe rules for "Let It Ride" are in no sense crazy.

Please do not lie twice about me on the internet, JHKim.

I didn't say "let it ride" was crazy, I said "assuming the reason GMs make players check skills more than once in complex situations is because the GM wants to see the players fail..is crazy"

Quote from: Zak S;701818Please do not lie about me on the internet, JHkim

Sexual harassment is, in many places, a felony. And Luke accused Holmes of abetting it.

ONLY if it gets physical or verbally, explicitly threatens physical harm.

Quote from: Arduin;701820ONLY if it gets physical or verbally, explicitly threatens physical harm.

Not an expert on the law or the situation, but Luke Wheel did accuse J Eric Holmes of helping someone sexual harass a fellow player.

That happened.

Quote from: Zak S;701822Not an expert on the law or the situation, but Luke Wheel did accuse J Eric Holmes of helping someone sexual harass a fellow player.

That happened.

What EXACTLY happened?  "sexual harassment"  as a term is extremely subjective.  Some people consider a look that appears leering to be sexual harassment.

Quote from: Arduin;701828What EXACTLY happened?  "sexual harassment"  as a term is extremely subjective.  Some people consider a look that appears leering to be sexual harassment.

The link is posted. Just read back.

Quote from: Zak S;701829The link is posted. Just read back.

Yeah.  It seems like some serious Law of Fives happening in that thread.

Quote from: Zak S;701822Not an expert on the law or the situation, but Luke Wheel did accuse J Eric Holmes of helping someone sexual harass a fellow player.

That happened.

He never used the words "sexually harrass". He did say that they "bullied" the female player - who said that her character was a virgin - into agreeing that her character might have had sex. I disagreed that his reading was necessarily correct, but it's not insane and it's not descriptive of a felony.

The quote in question was from Holmes' 1980 article,  "Confessions of a Dungeon Master":

Quote"My Naga is a virgin, of course," said one player.
"Now wait a minute," said one of the males, "remember my magic-user has been trying to seduce her for the past three games. I think there's a good chance he may have done it."
   There was a minute pause. Everyone knew that the same tension existed between the young couple at the table that now made itself felt between the two imaginary personages in the magical garden.
  "Do you think that's possible, Cicely?" I asked.
  "I think she'd refuse."
  "What do you think the chances are that she got talked into it?" I asked.
  "Fifty percent," said the young suitor.
  "Twenty-five," said Cicely.
...
  "Twenty-five percent it is," I said, exercising my prejudice in favor of females. "Roll the dice."

Were the player and the DM bullying Cicely into stating a chance when she said she would refuse? I didn't think it was necessarily the case based on what was written. However, just because Luke felt there was bullying here doesn't mean "OMG HE'S INSANE!!  He's saying that Holmes is a felon!!"

QuoteDice used in Burning Wheel are standard six-sided dice. No other funny
dice are used. I know dodecahedrons are fun to roll, but they create ridiculous odds curves and do all sorts of wacky things to the game (that are no fun for anyone in the end). So we just use six-sided dice.

This alone shows just how blazingly off the deep end this guy is in one sentence. Let alone the rest of the wacky in his game.

A d12 produces a flat number range 1-12.
2 or more d6 added together create the "ridiculous odds curves" with the bell curve.

I rate Torchbearer way up there with the board game crated by the gal who talks about the plasma beings and wonders what would happen if oxygen decided it didnt like people... At least shes entertaining.

Crane isnt.

So Crane. Add some plasma beings and stories about Iron pretending to be call girls...


From Molly's blog section...

QuoteRemember that "lighter than water" lava that started bubbling up about a year ago?

That's evidence that iron inside the planet has been "attempting to play the role of a stellar level being".

I'll let you take a guess at which stellar level being the element of iron has been dying to pretend to be?

*

Anyways, I keep seeing more than half of the planet begging for things to change here... disposable soldiers, pets, governments, corporations, fathers, cheap labor, children, young women that want to take themselves seriously...

And iron keeps showing up pretending to be party girls that refuse to change anything inside the electrmagnetic system of this planet because they "like it too much right now".

Iron, you may think you have an escape route off the planet secured...

If no one wants to be here... do you really think this planet has a future deeper inside the Galaxy in the warmer, more important, and faster places?

*

Iron just screamed "I'm not truth" at me.

I know you have wrapped yourself up in lies for a long time, iron.

Quote from: jhkim;701862He never used the words "sexually harrass". He did say that they "bullied" the female player -

1. He said "bullied her into accepting sexual advances" The point to quibble over whether that's technically "accusing him of sexual harassment" or not, it's still a completely fucked up insane thing to do in light of zero hard evidence. You don't even say a person did something as messed up as "bullied someone into accepting sexual advances" on such slim evidence. It's beyond fucked up to do that to another human being.

2. What about the other thing you lied about up there, JHKim?

QuoteI didn't say "let it ride" was crazy, I said "assuming the reason GMs make players check skills more than once in complex situations is because the GM wants to see the players fail..is crazy"

Are you just going to pretend that didn't happen or admit it?

Crane did have some good ideas in BW, no question. The character creation thing is pretty fun/cool, I like his take on demihumans too - especially orcs and elves - and Let It Ride is a rule I find 100% to my liking after having endured way too many "oh noes, you must actually make 15 climbing rolls before actually climbing the tower..." or "oh noes, to see if you can outrun the monster that will otherwise eat your PC you must make 10 running rolls..." and that's not getting into stealth skills. So I support Let It Ride.

Pity the BW game system is so damn poorly written. It's bloody obtuse, seemingly on purpose. Also not very good. Thus the rest is kinda moot.

Oh and what Omega said. Crazy or not, Crane isn't entertaining.

QuoteA d12 produces a flat number range 1-12.
2 or more d6 added together create the "ridiculous odds curves" with the bell curve.

Burning Wheel uses dice pools that are more reliable than a flat d20 roll.

Quote from: Archangel Fascist;701917Burning Wheel uses dice pools that are more reliable than a flat d20 roll.

Do you understand how statistics work..?

Quote from: Brad;701922Do you understand how statistics work..?

Maybe he's referring to how having a single D20 means that if it breaks/cracks you're up a creek?  :jaw-dropping:  Vs. having lots of other dice...

Quote from: Zak S;7018761. He said "bullied her into accepting sexual advances" The point to quibble over whether that's technically "accusing him of sexual harassment" or not, it's still a completely fucked up insane thing to do in light of zero hard evidence. You don't even say a person did something as messed up as "bullied someone into accepting sexual advances" on such slim evidence. It's beyond fucked up to do that to another human being.

And the Naga having sex with the magic-user can accurately be described as a sexual advance. Do you continue to claim that he accused Holmes of a felony? What felony law do you think bullying breaks? If it is not a felony, then you are a liar - and furthermore accusing someone of false reporting, which may be a misdemeanor or felony depending on the district.

More to the point, you're being a sanctimonious, moralizing asshole - acting like you get to throw shit at people, and then demanding apologies from others for any slights against you or your point. Get the fuck over it.

Quote from: Zak S;7018762. What about the other thing you lied about up there, JHKim?

 Are you just going to pretend that didn't happen or admit it?

I'm willing to admit that you're a prick, who accuses people of insanity on slim pretext. Does that count?

There is nothing anywhere in my copy of Burning Wheel that would lead a reasonable person to believe that the author is insane. I can't speak for stuff that I haven't read, but I doubt that there is sufficient pretext in any game book for such a medical diagnosis.

Quote from: Zak S;701829The link is posted. Just read back.

I read it.  There is NOTHING in it that is a crime (anywhere in the U.S. anyway).  So, what is all the noise about?