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Author Topic: Tabletop Simulator go against moderation rules to after LBGTQ complaints  (Read 1783 times)

Namoto

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https://www.fanbyte.com/news/tabletop-simulator-devs-halt-global-chat-after-mods-ban-users-who-mention-being-queer/

To start with a declaration of bias - I can't stand Tabletop Simulator. In my review of it on Steam, I confidently declared it to be the worst possible way to play board games and I stand by that.

However, it is the only way to play certain boardgames online, so I'm somewhat sad to see that they have been browbeaten into abandoning apolitical and game-focused moderation rules in favor of pandering to people of different gender identities and sexualities. I don't know if this would get them onto the yellow or the red section of the theoretical "therpgsite woke list for digital games", but I'm personally disinclined to carry on giving them my patronage as they are clearly not a no-politics zone any more.

Read the article and make your own minds up, of course.

Greentongue

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Re: Tabletop Simulator go against moderation rules to after LBGTQ complaints
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2022, 01:19:29 PM »
It is often very difficult to get the full story, even if you were there.
What they implement from here will be more telling.
Check back in a few months and see where they settled.

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Re: Tabletop Simulator go against moderation rules to after LBGTQ complaints
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2022, 11:59:54 AM »
my initial thoughts are that TTS had it right in the first place, GBQ(gay, bisexual, queer, all the other letters are meaningless because Lesbian is just Gay women, and Trans people are also Queer by definition)  people aren't family friendly and shouldn't be open for discussion in places that are trying to maintain a family friendly environment.

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Re: Tabletop Simulator go against moderation rules to after LBGTQ complaints
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2022, 01:25:13 PM »
In the right hands TTS is actually an outstanding system and I've seen some pretty good recreations of board games on it.

Problem is more than a few folk do not  put in the effort. Or the systems more obtuse elements cause them to do a less than stellar job.

Ive tried tinkering with it a few times and still am not sure why some things do what they do, or dont.

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Re: Tabletop Simulator go against moderation rules to after LBGTQ complaints
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2022, 10:31:33 AM »
This is a perfect example of what lying, disingenuous disgusting scumbags these people are.

The user was banned for talking about 'dirty boy buttholes' (yes, exact terms) not for anything about their 'identity' unless their sexual identity is explicitly being a piece of human garbage (which, let's be honest, is what they are anyway)
He said only: "Men shall die for this". He meant the words.

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Re: Tabletop Simulator go against moderation rules to after LBGTQ complaints
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2022, 02:13:56 AM »
It is often very difficult to get the full story, even if you were there.
What they implement from here will be more telling.
Check back in a few months and see where they settled.
Exactly. The usual parties just do their usual best to present this in their preferred light.
The left-extremists point at it as some kind of ****phobia - which it clearly isn't as punishing talking about a topic does not equate the topic itself as good or bad, just as not tabletop-related.

However, there is a point in them banning someone discussing being trans, but not another discussing being straight, etc.
If that is true, that'd indeed be a violation of their own rules. You can either discuss topics of gender and sexuality or you can't.
My hope is that they'll either start enforcing their own rules properly or abolish them completely so people can talk whatever.

Not sure how I feel about global chat - it's the first thing I turn off in every game that has it, so them disabling it has 0 influence on me...
My experience from 20+ years of gaming with any kind of global chat is that you really don't want to deal with all of the teenage hormone bullshit in it and are just happier without it.
« Last Edit: January 17, 2022, 02:29:06 AM by TheSHEEEP »

Greentongue

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Re: Tabletop Simulator go against moderation rules to after LBGTQ complaints
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2022, 06:45:57 AM »
Not sure how I feel about global chat - it's the first thing I turn off in every game that has it, so them disabling it has 0 influence on me...
My experience from 20+ years of gaming with any kind of global chat is that you really don't want to deal with all of the teenage hormone bullshit in it and are just happier without it.
Pretty well sums it up.

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Re: Tabletop Simulator go against moderation rules to after LBGTQ complaints
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2022, 04:32:22 PM »
Tabletop Simulator "not family friendly"?
Doesn't that depend upon your definition of "family"? 
I saw a great bumper sticker once, "Hate is not a family value"
Perhaps a better one might be, "America is not a Theocracy" or "If you want a Theocracy, Join the Taliban"
LOL, the irony here is, I'm not even remotely "politically correct".   
I see a huge amount of intolerance among both sides.

To have freedom, you have to give it to others.  Tolerance isn't synonymous with endorsement.
Everything is offensive to SOMEone, literally.

Demanding not to be harmed is one thing.  FORCING yourself to be included is quite another.

why should your selfish desire to breed into an already overpopulated world require someone else to censor their content?

Your choice of sex, or accident of birth, puts no unearned obligation upon others.

There is idiocy on both sides.

The best parents don't censor. They don't tell their kids what they can see, or read or think. The best parents teach their kids HOW to think, how to use the rules of logic, and they make available to them the books of  the great philosophers, both western and asian.

Morons pushing PC agenda only create silent seething opponents.
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Re: Tabletop Simulator go against moderation rules to after LBGTQ complaints
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2022, 02:57:41 AM »
Tabletop Simulator "not family friendly"?
Doesn't that depend upon your definition of "family"? 
I saw a great bumper sticker once, "Hate is not a family value"
Perhaps a better one might be, "America is not a Theocracy" or "If you want a Theocracy, Join the Taliban"
LOL, the irony here is, I'm not even remotely "politically correct".   
I see a huge amount of intolerance among both sides.

To have freedom, you have to give it to others.  Tolerance isn't synonymous with endorsement.
Everything is offensive to SOMEone, literally.

Demanding not to be harmed is one thing.  FORCING yourself to be included is quite another.

why should your selfish desire to breed into an already overpopulated world require someone else to censor their content?

Your choice of sex, or accident of birth, puts no unearned obligation upon others.

There is idiocy on both sides.

The best parents don't censor. They don't tell their kids what they can see, or read or think. The best parents teach their kids HOW to think, how to use the rules of logic, and they make available to them the books of  the great philosophers, both western and asian.

Morons pushing PC agenda only create silent seething opponents.
I am about 80% sure that I agree with you.

But to be totally honest, it's somewhat hard to be certain.
Your posts are - not only in this case - VERY hard to parse and follow. It's like you just write down an entire train of thought without pause and care to put it into a "followable" structure, including wild context switches that might make sense to you internally, but over here it's more than a bit confusing.

I don't mean this is an attack, btw, I'm just not sure if you are even aware of this.
« Last Edit: January 19, 2022, 03:15:15 AM by TheSHEEEP »

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Re: Tabletop Simulator go against moderation rules to after LBGTQ complaints
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2022, 08:43:35 PM »
I've discovered that clarifications only get me harassed/attacked/insulted for the most part.
The boy who yells "The Emperor Has No Clothes" isn't very popular.
You are confused her because I am saying to BOTH trump Qanon  AND to  SJW that they are BOTH WRONG and BOTH ASSHOLES.
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Re: Tabletop Simulator go against moderation rules to after LBGTQ complaints
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2022, 01:52:19 AM »
You are confused her because I am saying to BOTH trump Qanon  AND to  SJW that they are BOTH WRONG and BOTH ASSHOLES.
Nah, that part I fully agree with.
Altough you'll certainly find some here who won't.

The problem really is your style of writing. Which, as I said, is just very hard to follow.
Might be a language issue, not sure. I'm not a native speaker and my stuff was probably hard to follow as well before I got more proficient.

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Re: Tabletop Simulator go against moderation rules to after LBGTQ complaints
« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2022, 06:50:34 AM »
When you cover too many topic in one post the intent gets diffused and hard to focus in on.

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Re: Tabletop Simulator go against moderation rules to after LBGTQ complaints
« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2022, 05:44:38 PM »
why should your selfish desire to breed into an already overpopulated world require someone else to censor their content?
But the world isn't over-populated, and every time over the last 300+ years someone has complained about the world being over-populated and unsustainable, they were always proven wrong by another increase in population and more sustainable methods of industry, farming, whatever, being implemented.

Plus I don't see what this has to do with TTS or GBQ fanatics.

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Re: Tabletop Simulator go against moderation rules to after LBGTQ complaints
« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2022, 01:13:32 AM »
why should your selfish desire to breed into an already overpopulated world require someone else to censor their content?
But the world isn't over-populated
It certainly is - for the way we treat our non-renewable resources. And even more so the renewable ones if we're being honest (looking at the forest situation). The current way is not maintainable and we are already seeing the first shortages. Thinking that things will turn out well just because they luckily did in the past is naive.
It is a very uneven issue, though, as we have the West with its shrinking population while by far consuming the most resources (per capita) AND having ever-growing life expectancy (increasing the duration of per-capita consumption even more) and east Asia with even lower birth rates, but also somewhat less per capita consumption.

There are growing regions, such as Latin America, Africa or India - but even there, the fertility rates of over 2.0 are shrinking and might reach 2.0 or lower sooner or later. And of course, those regions have a reduced life expectancy.
I don't think there's any real danger from it getting even worse and at least at the moment, it seems to be reaching some sort of equilibrium globally.
There are certainly problems stemming from that, such as most societies having been built on the illusion that there will always be more kids than old people (if that were true, we'd indeed be strongly overpopulated or get there extremely soon) - will be interesting to see which nations will be able to change enough to deal with the new reality.

Either way, though, taking any of that as reason not to have children is idiotic. If you want kids, go have kids.
If you don't want kids, don't have 'em.
Nobody is helped by people having kids who don't want them or the other way around. Having children SHOULD be selfishly motivated.
There's certainly no duty to procreate on a planet that could easily have 1-2 billion less of us around and would still be more than fine.
Likewise, the situation is not so dire that anyone should feel pressured to not have kids.

From my experience, people who put overall population up as the first reason they don't have kids are just looking for excuses for not wanting to raise children.
Which is absurd, as not wanting to raise children is nothing that needs excusing - we're all different and you'll always have 10-30% that don't want it (in the past, they just had to anyway for various reasons).
Plus there are other ways to contribute to society and I'd even argue the only duty when it comes to society is not actively doing harm to it.

What any of this has to do with LGBTQ, I don't really know, but this has been derailing from the very start, so why not proceed in that direction  ;D
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Re: Tabletop Simulator go against moderation rules to after LBGTQ complaints
« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2022, 12:56:01 PM »
Rail or derail away.

Keep in mind that around 75% of the world's surface has no people at all. Hardly over-populated. ;)

While we are well on our way to a "Mass Extinction Event" the robots/AI that replace us won't mind.