Quote from: silva;629066But I never use Wyrm to directly break anything, so I never pay its 3 cred cost. I use Wyrm to lower the Ice´s power so my other breakers can work (Mimic, Corroder, Yog, even Crypsis).

Er, it's my understanding that breakers don't work that way. You can't use one to lower the strength and another to crack the subroutines. Any breaker that wants to crack subroutines has to also have the strength, regardless of what other breakers you have.

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;629092Er, it's my understanding that breakers don't work that way. You can't use one to lower the strength and another to crack the subroutines. Any breaker that wants to crack subroutines has to also have the strength, regardless of what other breakers you have.

Quote from: Netrunner FAQCan the Runner use multiple icebreakers on a single piece of
ice?
Yes, although there are few situations where this is beneficial.
The Runner cannot use one icebreaker’s strength to break with a
different icebreaker’s ability.

Quote from: ibidCan the Runner use Wyrm to lower the strength of any ice, at
any time?
The Runner can only use Wyrm to lower the strength of a
currently encountered piece of ice, and only if Wyrm is of equal
or higher strength than that ice.

So you can use multiple breakers on a piece of ice, you just can't use Wyrm's strength when you switch to the second breaker.

But this is why Wyrm is so corner-case.  Even with the idea of lowering another ice's strength so you can use YoG or Mimic, you still have to boost up Wyrm, then drag down the ice to whatever you need, then pay (or not in Yog's case) to break the subroutines.

I do like that Wyrm is flexible, and I think it'll get a little better with time.  My favorite scenario is when you've got Ice Carver, Datasucker with a couple counters, and a Parasite on something you want to kill (hello, Archer).  Then you can run, use Wyrm to drag Archer down to strength 0 and kill it.  Hello wasted agenda points.  Pretty corner case though.  That said, I've got a Noise deck right now that makes use of Wyrm for just such an occasion.

Quote from: Brasidas;629057I also disagree with Ghost, I really like Crypsis. I'll try to go into why, once I get to a proper computer.

Okay, so, Crypsis.

Crypsis is expensive, no doubt, and I can't fault someone for choosing not to run him.  However...

He's flexible.  Crypsis can break any type of ice in the game.  This is really his key strength.  Sometimes it's better to have a subpar breaker than no breaker at all.

He's a virus, so there's some synergy with Noise.

If you've got Special Orders in your deck, than you probably don't need Crypsis, you'll be able to grab what you need when you need it, most likely.

Otherwise, I usually look at Crypsis as my 4th breaker.  I have lost count of the times when he's come in handy, because I've got a code gate breaker and a sentry breaker on the table, but can't pull Corroder for the life of me.  As a secondary benefit, if you mistep and get a few programs shredded by the corp, having a Crypsis in hand can be a game-saving stopgap.

Currently I almost always run him with Noise, almost never run him with Gabriel, and will consider him when running with either Kate or Whizzard, depending on what else I have in the deck.

Quote from: "Brasidas"So you can use multiple breakers on a piece of ice, you just can't use Wyrm's strength when you switch to the second breaker.

But this is why Wyrm is so corner-case. Even with the idea of lowering another ice's strength so you can use YoG or Mimic, you still have to boost up Wyrm, then drag down the ice to whatever you need, then pay (or not in Yog's case) to break the subroutines.

I do like that Wyrm is flexible, and I think it'll get a little better with time. My favorite scenario is when you've got Ice Carver, Datasucker with a couple counters, and a Parasite on something you want to kill (hello, Archer). Then you can run, use Wyrm to drag Archer down to strength 0 and kill it. Hello wasted agenda points. Pretty corner case though. That said, I've got a Noise deck right now that makes use of Wyrm for just such an occasion.

I agree it's a corner case. Even more so than using Crypsis as a joker. But I just commented in reaction to your argument that Wyrm was "hellacious" (was that the word ?). Datasucker and/or Ice Carver and/or Parasite is a much more efficient tactic for Noise.

By the way, the more I play with Noise, the more I like him. Im almost changing my opinion bout the best runner in the core (thought it was Gabriel at first, but not so sure anymore). Interesting how the runners are much more balanced than the corporations.