Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on April 18, 2024, 01:27:50 PM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on April 18, 2024, 11:26:21 AMOne Page Rules will give a gamer a "living game" that's got rules updates and they can use lore from older editions of 40k, since many of the factions in Grimdark Future are famous IP's with just enough differences to make them identifiable but not infringing on copyright.

IE One Page Rules is a way to play with your old figures and old rulebooks with a current system that means you can go to the local game store and everyone is on the... same page... ruleswise.

And most importantly, not give GW any more money.

What exactly are you supposed to do if you're interested in non-miniatures media like rpgs, video games, books, etc?

Like Star Wars or Trek or Dr Who, ignore the new stuff if it's bad.

Quote from: Krazz on April 18, 2024, 05:50:43 PM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on April 18, 2024, 02:51:36 PMWhile I think GW's PR here is terrible, I don't see any compelling reason to maintain that Custodes and Astartes all had pickles before they were recruited.

Because that's the lore. They've been described as 'sons' and 'brotherhood'. They've been explicitly called all-male. Can some be female? Sure. And some can be Orks or Eldar. Or Tyrannids. It's just lore, why not ret-con it all?

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on April 18, 2024, 02:51:36 PMThe reason why Sisters of Battle are female has to do with social and legal reasons in the background, which were deliberately written so as to have an all-female army. The Ecclesiarchy is legally barred from having men at arms, but the loophole is that they can still employ women at arms.

But why should that lore stand? Why not ret-con it too, and have male 'Sisters' of Battle? For that matter, why not get rid of all that nasty 'war' stuff, and make the games about male Sisters of Battle meeting up with Orks in coffee shops to discuss toppling the patriarchy? It's just lore, they can ret-con that too.

Exactly. There comes a time when you've retconned out the reason for the IPs popularity. And that's killing the golden goose to chase imaginary new customers who may or may not exist.

It doesn't help that many changes to IP nowadays are driven by political activism and not love of the settings or material. That's a recipe for preachy, not-fun fiction.

I'm sick to death of 40k and all these other rotting dinosaur franchises strangling creativity. Make new IPs, please. I just want entertainment.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on April 18, 2024, 02:51:36 PMThere's no female guard models, but I don't see people arguing that there's no female guard. There's copious examples in the lore, just not on the table. Why are Custodes and Astartes being treated differently?

Except there are female guard models now, albeit only for the last few years.

Eldar have had female guardians since the start. It was nice piece of character for the army.

Quote from: Eirikrautha on April 18, 2024, 04:19:02 PMWait, aren't you the guy who whines in every Vampire-adjacent thread about all the terrible things that White Wolf did to the lore and game?

Not in the way you think. I hate their IP (read Frank Trollman's critiques on thegamingden to see why) and I'm sick of their monopoly over urban fantasy. I'm glad they're bulldozing their lore and alienating their fans.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on April 18, 2024, 06:16:32 PMThere comes a time when you've retconned out the reason for the IPs popularity. And that's killing the golden goose to chase imaginary new customers who may or may not exist.

It doesn't help that many changes to IP nowadays are driven by political activism and not love of the settings or material. That's a recipe for preachy, not-fun fiction.

I hope companies keep doing this. I got sick of their IP monopolies long before the ESG activism reared its head. I want them to crash and burn so that new creations can flourish.

We're in this frustrating space where companies kill promising IPs or drive them into the ground, and unless copyright terms get reduced our only option is to make new IPs and hope the process doesn't repeat.

Greetings!

Yes, it is sad that Games Workshop is bending the knee and gulping down Woke bullshit. The Custodes were originally ALL MALE. Just like the Space Marines. It is bullshit that Games Workshop is lying to the fans, and retconning the lore.

Having said that, I always urge Warhammer 40K fans to abandon Games Workshop entirely. Don't give them money or patronize them in any way. I used to be a devoted fan and customer, playing Epic Warhammer 40K Space Marine. I invested thousands of dollars into this fucking company. That was over 20 years ago, when Games Workshop pulled the plug one day and just ended Epic Space Marine. I have never looked back since, and abandoned patronizing Games Workshop in any way. They are a terribly greedy, selfish, disrespectful company, and now they are also Woke, and retarded.

So, let them burn. Stop patronizing Games Workshop. Stop patronizing companies that hate you.

Instead, give your money to companies that respect you, respect the hobby, and don't hate you. There are many miniature and game companies out there that respect the hobby, respect their customers, and don't hate you.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK