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OD&D - How shitty is this story game?

Started by Justin Alexander, June 25, 2013, 12:47:30 AM

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TristramEvans

#15
June 25, 2013, 10:55:59 PM
Amusing, but completely inaccurate as a description of white box D&D.

Hard to see this thread as anything but a troll on Pundit though.

Ratman_tf

#16
June 26, 2013, 02:42:06 AM
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Bill

#17
June 26, 2013, 10:45:24 AM
Quote from: Ratman_tf;665685

In all fairness, who DOESNT want to slap Robin?

The Ent

#19
June 28, 2013, 08:12:31 AM
Quote from: Bill;665771In all fairness, who DOESNT want to slap Robin?

Holy slap on a stick, Batman!

taustin

#20
June 28, 2013, 12:04:51 PM
Quote from: Bill;665771In all fairness, who DOESNT want to slap Robin?

I expect that Robin likes it that way, too.

And the bear said, "You ain't here for the huntin', are you?"

Black Vulmea

#21
June 28, 2013, 01:57:37 PM
Yes, OD&D is a shitty storygame.
"Of course five generic Kobolds in a plain room is going to be dull. Making it potentially not dull is kinda the GM\'s job." - #Ladybird, theRPGsite

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Benoist

#22
June 28, 2013, 02:00:54 PM
Quote from: Black Vulmea;666470Yes, OD&D is a shitty storygame.

I hear Dungeon World is way better.

Exploderwizard

#23
July 02, 2013, 01:36:02 PM
Quote from: Black Vulmea;666470Yes, OD&D is a shitty storygame.

You ain't kiddin.

Last time I ran a session there was precious little the PCs had at thier disposal to influence the narrative. Antagonist npcs refused to act appropriately for thier expected roles per genre conventions and protagonists died at the most random inconvenient times. They had no sense of dramatic timing.

How dare the fighter run out of hit points against a scrub hobgoblin. The rest of the party had to end the scene early and the big bad didn't get any screen time. The overall plot was utterly ruined.
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Quote from: Old Geezer;724252At some point it seems like D&D is going to disappear up its own ass.

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Zachary The First

#24
July 02, 2013, 01:45:12 PM
Quote from: Benoist;666471I hear Dungeon World is way better.

Like, WAY better. It revolutionizes gaming in a way that make other games look like pretentious indie games. And the DM advice really helps you get that failed novel--er, game story moving. If only it had sex moves like AW does, it would be perfect!
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Kanye Westeros

#25
July 05, 2013, 07:44:30 AM
Anyone trying to deny the narrativism of Dave Areseon is deluded. Face it, 'storygames' are not new and your stupid for thinking they are.

Zachary The First

#26
July 05, 2013, 08:00:21 AM
Quote from: Kanye Westeros;668458Anyone trying to deny the narrativism of Dave Areseon is deluded. Face it, 'storygames' are not new and your stupid for thinking they are.

Bonus points for the "your stupid" error.
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Exploderwizard

#27
July 05, 2013, 10:05:34 AM
Quote from: Zachary The First;668466Bonus points for the "your stupid" error.

:rotfl:

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Quote from: JonWakeGamers, as a whole, are much like primitive cavemen when confronted with a new game. Rather than \'oh, neat, what\'s this do?\', the reaction is to decide if it\'s a sex hole, then hit it with a rock.

Quote from: Old Geezer;724252At some point it seems like D&D is going to disappear up its own ass.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;766997In the randomness of the dice lies the seed for the great oak of creativity and fun. The great virtue of the dice is that they come without boxed text.

Kanye Westeros

#28
July 05, 2013, 10:17:32 AM
http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?286043-Dave-Arneson-Blackmoor-and-Me!

Quote2) Saving Throws did not exist. Instead of rolling the die, you had to defend to the other player via a short story WHY your character would survive what was coming at him. The player's voted and the DM was the tie-breaker.

don't really have time to dig up the rest but anecdotes of Arnesonian experiments are all over the place. Dude thought outside the box, like telling a story in place of saving throws.

Exploderwizard

#29
July 05, 2013, 10:31:11 AM
Quote from: Kanye Westeros;668500http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?286043-Dave-Arneson-Blackmoor-and-Me!



don't really have time to dig up the rest but anecdotes of Arnesonian experiments are all over the place. Dude thought outside the box, like telling a story in place of saving throws.

Diceless resolution mechanics are not the same thing as narrative mechanics.

ZOMG!!! He used the the word story.  It was a situation first, mechanics second kind of resolution. It was the same kind of resolution that the DM does all the time in OD&D, just expanded to cover the saving throw.

For modern theorywankers it is extreme " mother may I" D&D, with the other players getting to weigh in on how awesome or lame your description of your actions were.
Quote from: JonWakeGamers, as a whole, are much like primitive cavemen when confronted with a new game. Rather than \'oh, neat, what\'s this do?\', the reaction is to decide if it\'s a sex hole, then hit it with a rock.

Quote from: Old Geezer;724252At some point it seems like D&D is going to disappear up its own ass.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;766997In the randomness of the dice lies the seed for the great oak of creativity and fun. The great virtue of the dice is that they come without boxed text.
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