Activists predictably butthurt.
https://www.wargamer.com/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/age-of-darkness-gender-critical
And nobody cared except for the usual idpol jagoffs.
Jeebus. Even the most hardcore dudebro 40k fans agreed the Sisters of Battle got treated badly and were happy they got a chance to shine in the latest edition.
But having a viable fem-heavy faction just isn't enough for the wokeists. Nothing is ever enough.
I think an easy way to address this is to say that women who survive the process become indistinguishable from those born male. Because it's more efficient to use a single template. So any of the space marine models could be women, but you'd never be able to tell.
Or you could switch to One Page Rules Grimdark Future, which has the Battle Sisters army. They're female space marines created by the Goddess-Queen in response to the God-King disallowing women from serving. (This reads like a satire of fandom debates btw.) https://onepagerules.fandom.com/wiki/Battle_Sisters
The more important thing to remember is that Squats were still around during thr HH, right? Do they get a mention?
Quote from: HappyDaze on July 06, 2022, 10:30:35 AM
The more important thing to remember is that Squats were still around during thr HH, right? Do they get a mention?
They got brought back as "Leagues of Votaan" in modern 40k
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on July 06, 2022, 02:29:42 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on July 06, 2022, 10:30:35 AM
The more important thing to remember is that Squats were still around during thr HH, right? Do they get a mention?
They got brought back as "Leagues of Votaan" in modern 40k
Ironically, the announcement trailer dropped on April 1st. GW realized it, and hurriedly cranked out another to assure the fanbase that no, it wasn't a joke.
Quote from: Ghostmaker on July 06, 2022, 08:10:02 AM
And nobody cared except for the usual idpol jagoffs.
Jeebus. Even the most hardcore dudebro 40k fans agreed the Sisters of Battle got treated badly and were happy they got a chance to shine in the latest edition.
But having a viable fem-heavy faction just isn't enough for the wokeists. Nothing is ever enough.
Fem-heavy isn't the goal. Eliminating male-only is the intermediate goal. Eliminating male is the ultimate goal.
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on July 06, 2022, 02:29:42 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on July 06, 2022, 10:30:35 AM
The more important thing to remember is that Squats were still around during thr HH, right? Do they get a mention?
They got brought back as "Leagues of Votaan" in modern 40k
Damn, really? I didn't know that and I thought they were gone for good.
I've always been against female space marines as it bas always been clear the emperor used some of his dna to create the primarchs, and the primarch dna was used to create the marines.
Anyway, SoBs have powers even marines don't have. They can commit miracles of faith ,when they get killed they get miracle points that make the survirors more effective.
But yes, the wokefems have been told they can't have female space marines so they will raise the rainbow banners and wage shrieking screaming war until they get what they want. They are determined to force their way on gamers and wonder why they are hated.
I say no female marines, ever.
If I ever get back into 40k I'll play Sisters of Silence because fuck psychers. Also, weird grav fish transport thing.
Quiet your fool! You want the radfems bitching about good women being portrayed as silent and therefore perpetuating a sexists image of women? Honestly I know about the sos and am amazed feminist groups have bit attacked gw over them yet.
Quote from: Battlemaster on July 06, 2022, 10:25:19 PM
I've always been against female space marines as it bas always been clear the emperor used some of his dna to create the primarchs, and the primarch dna was used to create the marines.
You do know that females are created with DNA from both of their (biological) parents, including that of a male, right?
Primarchs are not clones of the Emperor, and Astartes are not clones of their Primarchs. They carry some genetic legacy, but so too do a father's daughters.
Sisters of Battle have big boobies.
Even in Mordheim.
That is all.
Quote from: HappyDaze on July 07, 2022, 01:50:57 AM
Quote from: Battlemaster on July 06, 2022, 10:25:19 PM
I've always been against female space marines as it bas always been clear the emperor used some of his dna to create the primarchs, and the primarch dna was used to create the marines.
You do know that females are created with DNA from both of their (biological) parents, including that of a male, right?
Primarchs are not clones of the Emperor, and Astartes are not clones of their Primarchs. They carry some genetic legacy, but so too do a father's daughters.
I did not say primarchs were clones of the emperor, the emp used his Dna as a basis for creating them abd made esch one unique. The marines are nor clones of primarchs but use his dna as a basis for their gene seed.
As tonwhatecer you were trying to say about women, it was too senseless to understand.
Quote from: Battlemaster on July 07, 2022, 12:47:31 AM
Quiet your fool! You want the radfems bitching about good women being portrayed as silent and therefore perpetuating a sexists image of women? Honestly I know about the sos and am amazed feminist groups have bit attacked gw over them yet.
Okay, that was pretty fucking funny. Well played.
Quote from: Battlemaster on July 07, 2022, 07:14:44 AM
Quote from: HappyDaze on July 07, 2022, 01:50:57 AM
Quote from: Battlemaster on July 06, 2022, 10:25:19 PM
I've always been against female space marines as it bas always been clear the emperor used some of his dna to create the primarchs, and the primarch dna was used to create the marines.
You do know that females are created with DNA from both of their (biological) parents, including that of a male, right?
Primarchs are not clones of the Emperor, and Astartes are not clones of their Primarchs. They carry some genetic legacy, but so too do a father's daughters.
I did not say primarchs were clones of the emperor, the emp used his Dna as a basis for creating them abd made esch one unique. The marines are nor clones of primarchs but use his dna as a basis for their gene seed.
As tonwhatecer you were trying to say about women, it was too senseless to understand.
I'll try one more time.
All the DNA needed to make a female is present in male DNA. If the Emperor wanted to make a female primarch from his DNA, he could have, so his DNA was not the limiting factor.
Quote from: HappyDaze on July 07, 2022, 09:42:44 AM
Quote from: Battlemaster on July 07, 2022, 07:14:44 AM
Quote from: HappyDaze on July 07, 2022, 01:50:57 AM
Quote from: Battlemaster on July 06, 2022, 10:25:19 PM
I've always been against female space marines as it bas always been clear the emperor used some of his dna to create the primarchs, and the primarch dna was used to create the marines.
You do know that females are created with DNA from both of their (biological) parents, including that of a male, right?
Primarchs are not clones of the Emperor, and Astartes are not clones of their Primarchs. They carry some genetic legacy, but so too do a father's daughters.
I did not say primarchs were clones of the emperor, the emp used his Dna as a basis for creating them abd made esch one unique. The marines are nor clones of primarchs but use his dna as a basis for their gene seed.
As tonwhatecer you were trying to say about women, it was too senseless to understand.
I'll try one more time.
All the DNA needed to make a female is present in male DNA. If the Emperor wanted to make a female primarch from his DNA, he could have, so his DNA was not the limiting factor.
Yup. All human beings contain the genetic material for both male and female physiology. The Y chromosome merely serves as the first in a series of switches that decide which sex a zygote will develop into. This has been experimentally verified by modifying XX mammal embryos to develop into males, and was previously implied by the existence of different sex determination systems in other species including ones where sex was determined by the environmental temperature. There's also XX male syndrome (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XX_male_syndrome).
Ultimately, space marines are only made from males because the writers say so. They can invent as many in-universe justifications as they want, but because this is fiction the real reason is purely author fiat.
As I said, you could go the easy route and say that several existing space marine characters were made from women but you can't tell because the process causes all recruits to turn into homogenous ultra-masculine beings. This would allow GW and fans to claim they're giving female representation and get brownie points without putting any real work into it.
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on July 06, 2022, 09:59:16 AM
I think an easy way to address this is to
Not change anything at all. Full stop. No buts, ifs, or 'Well how about's.
I think GW and W40K suck as a company and as a setting. It has absolutely no artistic integrity (Bigger Batman) and it can kick rocks. But NEVER bend the knee to those who see your creative choices as something they can get to control by virtue of whining.
Imagine your eating your favorite food. And then somebody with a gun, takes and points it to the back of your skull and says 'Eat the food or I will blow your brains out'.
Those that say 'Look, you wanted to eat the food anyway right?', are missing the point. The point is the man with the gun sees as having control over you. Whatever he is demanding, no matter how innocous is a demand he thinks he is in the right to make when he is compeltly incorrect.
Now I mean with the gun situation thats one thing, you gotta do it to live. But in this case GW isn't hurting for money and woke mobs move on if denied.
Edit: Yes and all the lore is moronic nonsense. Male Marines is an artistic choice (or the closest thing GW can be too art) and, it should remain that way.
If GW said tomorrow 'There are new Mcdonalds Marines and they are 10 times better then Primaris marines, 25$ a figure please' they would absolutely do it if they could get away with it.
I saw this but I don't see why people are celebrating. GW is constantly changing their lore especially their Space Marine lore. It is only a matter of time before there is a female Primarch and an all girl Space Marine chapter (which multiple successor chapters). The only question is will these be new, like the Primaris, or will they be something that has always been around, just never mentioned.
Quote from: hedgehobbit on July 08, 2022, 04:52:56 PMThe only question is will these be new, like the Primaris, or will they be something that has always been around, just never mentioned.
Depends on what will make more money.
I wish they had an interesting reason why there weren't female space marines, similar to what Claymore does. The Emperor thinking women were too docile or uncontrollable depending on your interpretation of that particular passage isn't interesting. I want to see the Emperor experimenting with female super soldiers and creating some kind of horrific result that scares him off ever creating more.
Maybe it's a way to introduce a chaos goddess that presents a threat to both the Emperor and the big four (Slaanesh is obviously a non-binary snowflake). So female space marines are anathema in-universe because they're so dangerous and inherently tied into this chaos goddess.
Let's make her the goddess of creation and patron of feminazis and terfs! She wants to kill all men and create a peaceful lesbian paradise.
I jest, but that doesn't feel out of place for 40k.
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on July 08, 2022, 05:47:09 PMThis isn't interesting.
...Because you said so? 40K is full of uninteresting things. But why does this warrant attention?
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on July 08, 2022, 05:53:26 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on July 08, 2022, 05:47:09 PMThis isn't interesting.
...Because you said so? 40K is full of uninteresting things. But why does this warrant attention?
I just thought of it because it sounded on topic. It's not something I think about unless prompted.
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on July 08, 2022, 07:48:43 PM
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on July 08, 2022, 05:53:26 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on July 08, 2022, 05:47:09 PMThis isn't interesting.
...Because you said so? 40K is full of uninteresting things. But why does this warrant attention?
I just thought of it because it sounded on topic. It's not something I think about unless prompted.
oh. Sorry for snapping.
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on July 08, 2022, 05:47:09 PM
I wish they had an interesting reason why there weren't female space marines, similar to what Claymore does.
If, as the lore sometimes says, humanity is really in a desperate fight for survival, then you would need as many birthing people as possible making new baby soldiers. So it doesn't make logistical sense to try to turn women into Space Marines considering how many die in the process.
Of course, this is also true with female Imperial Guardsmen. This is another example of GW saying one thing but showing something completely different. The only logical conclusion is that humanity isn't really in danger and that every bad thing that the Imperium does is just the Imperium being evil.
Quote from: hedgehobbit on July 09, 2022, 11:20:02 AM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on July 08, 2022, 05:47:09 PM
I wish they had an interesting reason why there weren't female space marines, similar to what Claymore does.
If, as the lore sometimes says, humanity is really in a desperate fight for survival, then you would need as many birthing people as possible making new baby soldiers. So it doesn't make logistical sense to try to turn women into Space Marines considering how many die in the process.
Of course, this is also true with female Imperial Guardsmen. This is another example of GW saying one thing but showing something completely different. The only logical conclusion is that humanity isn't really in danger and that every bad thing that the Imperium does is just the Imperium being evil.
And sisters of battle! The imperium would only make sense if they reduced their entire female population to incubators like Skaven do.
I imagine this would make them a lot less sympathetic to a lot of people. "Our setting has zero female representation because all the women have been turned into incubators!"
Would be hilarious to see the reactions tho.
Quote from: Ghostmaker on July 06, 2022, 03:38:06 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on July 06, 2022, 02:29:42 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on July 06, 2022, 10:30:35 AM
The more important thing to remember is that Squats were still around during thr HH, right? Do they get a mention?
They got brought back as "Leagues of Votaan" in modern 40k
Ironically, the announcement trailer dropped on April 1st. GW realized it, and hurriedly cranked out another to assure the fanbase that no, it wasn't a joke.
That was fun. ;D Squats are in the current Necromunda, straight up called Squats. Even before the Leagues of Votaan were announced.
Quote from: Spinachcat on July 07, 2022, 04:30:24 AM
Sisters of Battle have big skull boobies.
(https://c4.wallpaperflare.com/wallpaper/608/739/685/warhammer-adepta-sororitas-sisters-of-battle-wallpaper-preview.jpg)
This argument is a tedious exercise in sophistry. Let me clear up and condense this for you.
The people who want female space marines do not actually want female space marines. Much as they have done with WotC and other tabletop companies they want to show publicly that they can bully a company into doing what they like. To show they have control over those icky gatekeeping nerds. They won't buy any models, they won't engage with the hobby. They just want to be in control for the sake of it. And those suffering with gender dysphoria often find a perverted thrill in forcing their will on others.
We can all argue over lore, retcons, old Rogue Trader texts that I actually have. But it doesn't matter. Because this isn't a real argument for actual social change or (of actual importance) addressing criticism and changing the game to be better.
And just to break an illusion here, The women who want to play Warhammer will play Warhammer if they want to. There is a perverse and sick need amongst certain people in the hobby that they need validation for their hobbies. They need others to say their hobby is "serious" and not just socially awkward blokes playing with wee plastic men. And what better way to show the hobby is "serious" than show that women play it too. It's not just sweaty, hairy blokes. It's hot women who post to their instagram and Only Fans constantly. Warhammer is for everyone, chuds! But in actuality, women have plenty of options from Eldar, Dark Eldar, Sisters of Battle and so on. No one is stopping them. No one is stopping my Significant Other who just won a tournament at her local GW. What makes her not want to play is when hairy, sweaty men and men who wear dresses tell her she is a bad person for not wanting female Space Marines. And make no mistake, it is men who want this. Not women. Women don't want ugly armies. They don't want masculine armies. They want aesthetically pleasing armies that they painted themselves to look even nicer. The women who actually want to play Warhammer are perfectly fine with Sisters of Battle. They find them cool. Or Eldar or so on. I know this for a fact because I talk with my partner and her friends about this quite a bit. And I've made quite a bit of money 3D printing various parts for them they can't get from Games Workshop. (GW staff still haven't figured out nearly all the women who go to their shop are using 3D printed bits I made.)
Quote from: King Tyranno on July 14, 2022, 07:20:45 AM
This argument is a tedious exercise in sophistry. Let me clear up and condense this for you.
The people who want female space marines do not actually want female space marines. Much as they have done with WotC and other tabletop companies they want to show publicly that they can bully a company into doing what they like. To show they have control over those icky gatekeeping nerds. They won't buy any models, they won't engage with the hobby. They just want to be in control for the sake of it. And those suffering with gender dysphoria often find a perverted thrill in forcing their will on others.
We can all argue over lore, retcons, old Rogue Trader texts that I actually have. But it doesn't matter. Because this isn't a real argument for actual social change or (of actual importance) addressing criticism and changing the game to be better.
And just to break an illusion here, The women who want to play Warhammer will play Warhammer if they want to. There is a perverse and sick need amongst certain people in the hobby that they need validation for their hobbies. They need others to say their hobby is "serious" and not just socially awkward blokes playing with wee plastic men. And what better way to show the hobby is "serious" than show that women play it too. It's not just sweaty, hairy blokes. It's hot women who post to their instagram and Only Fans constantly. Warhammer is for everyone, chuds! But in actuality, women have plenty of options from Eldar, Dark Eldar, Sisters of Battle and so on. No one is stopping them. No one is stopping my Significant Other who just won a tournament at her local GW. What makes her not want to play is when hairy, sweaty men and men who wear dresses tell her she is a bad person for not wanting female Space Marines. And make no mistake, it is men who want this. Not women. Women don't want ugly armies. They don't want masculine armies. They want aesthetically pleasing armies that they painted themselves to look even nicer. The women who actually want to play Warhammer are perfectly fine with Sisters of Battle. They find them cool. Or Eldar or so on. I know this for a fact because I talk with my partner and her friends about this quite a bit. And I've made quite a bit of money 3D printing various parts for them they can't get from Games Workshop. (GW staff still haven't figured out nearly all the women who go to their shop are using 3D printed bits I made.)
This guy gets it! Hopefully you and the people you know can prevail in this hobby. At least by understanding them (which you clearly do) you have a better chance at resisting their garbage.
QuoteAnd sisters of battle! The imperium would only make sense if they reduced their entire female population to incubators like Skaven do.
I mean for many generations humanity was very dependent of demographics in day to day survival, and yet there was some % of women taking other professions. Be it dishonorable like whores, or honorable like nuns, vestals and other forms of religious officials.
But aside of very peculiar vanity projects like Army of Dahomey I cannot remember war as being such vocation.
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on July 08, 2022, 05:47:09 PM
I wish they had an interesting reason why there weren't female space marines, similar to what Claymore does.
I always liked the idea that the Emperor simply never considered using women because he's casually sexist in that regard. Helps bring him back down to human level to some degree.
Quote from: hedgehobbit on July 09, 2022, 11:20:02 AMIf, as the lore sometimes says, humanity is really in a desperate fight for survival, then you would need as many birthing people as possible making new baby soldiers. So it doesn't make logistical sense to try to turn women into Space Marines considering how many die in the process.
Of course, this is also true with female Imperial Guardsmen. This is another example of GW saying one thing but showing something completely different. The only logical conclusion is that humanity isn't really in danger and that every bad thing that the Imperium does is just the Imperium being evil.
Running with "women are Guardsmen-generating factories only good to make Guardsmen and more Guardsmen-generating factories", there's still plenty of reasons why a woman might be deemed fit for the IG rather than being kept barefoot and pregnant. Maybe she can't get pregnant (infertile, past-menopause, etc.), maybe her world has kids raised collectively and she's had hers and is now leaving for service, maybe the Guard caught her between pregnancies, maybe her world/system/sector is under immediate attack and women (and children) are drafted into the Guard anyway, maybe the local IG officers want to try integrating women into units, etc.
Quote from: Wrath of God on July 18, 2022, 09:04:08 AM
QuoteAnd sisters of battle! The imperium would only make sense if they reduced their entire female population to incubators like Skaven do.
I mean for many generations humanity was very dependent of demographics in day to day survival, and yet there was some % of women taking other professions. Be it dishonorable like whores, or honorable like nuns, vestals and other forms of religious officials.
But aside of very peculiar vanity projects like Army of Dahomey I cannot remember war as being such vocation.
Yeah, I was being facetious. The Imperium has advanced technology that removes the power differential between the sexes. Anyone with training can fire a gun or pilot a tank. If the conditions are bad enough, then it makes sense to conscript everyone: men, women, children, anyone who can follow orders. IIRC several cultures have cloning facilities that they use to produce conscripts for the imperial guard.
Quote from: Habitual Gamer on July 18, 2022, 10:05:01 AM
I always liked the idea that the Emperor simply never considered using women because he's casually sexist in that regard. Helps bring him back down to human level to some degree.
Apparently that may be the canonical answer. One of his subordinates suggested making the primarchs female so they'd be more docile. The Emperor laughed as if it was a joke.
Why he laughed is left up to the reader to decide. Under the sexist interpretation, he thought women were docile and wanted primarchs who weren't docile. Under an opposing interpretation, he thought female primarchs would be too dangerous to control.
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on July 18, 2022, 10:11:31 AM
Quote from: Habitual Gamer on July 18, 2022, 10:05:01 AM
I always liked the idea that the Emperor simply never considered using women because he's casually sexist in that regard. Helps bring him back down to human level to some degree.
Apparently that may be the canonical answer. One of his subordinates suggested making the primarchs female so they'd be more docile. The Emperor laughed as if it was a joke. Why he laughed is left up to the reader to decide. Under the sexist interpretation, he thought women were docile and wanted primarchs who weren't docile. Under an opposing interpretation, he thought female primarchs would be too dangerous to control.
Pretty sure he wanted subservient Primarchs.
Funny thing about that story: there's no way you can spin it without it having a sexist bias. Either the Emperor thought women would be too docile, or he thought they couldn't take orders. Which goes back to the idea that some folks aren't going to be happy no matter what.
Anyone who complains about the fact that there are no female space marines should be asked to define what a female is.
It seems very likely to my mind that producing a male child would probably exempt a woman from being drafted into the guard but maybe it should be two. If you really wanted to make a dark and horrible setting there's a lot of room for horrors down that road. As GW seems intent on making Warhammer 40k a popular mainstream property it seems unlikely they will ever go there.
Quote from: David Johansen on July 24, 2022, 09:05:19 PM
It seems very likely to my mind that producing a male child would probably exempt a woman from being drafted into the guard but maybe it should be two. If you really wanted to make a dark and horrible setting there's a lot of room for horrors down that road. As GW seems intent on making Warhammer 40k a popular mainstream property it seems unlikely they will ever go there.
The Vostroyan Firstborn regiments have a tradition which involves newly minted regiments of men getting hooked up with girls for a night, so that they can sire another generation.
And that's on the nicer side of the spectrum. Pretty sure the Death Korps of Krieg uses vat-grown children to fill out its ranks.
Quote from: David Johansen on July 24, 2022, 09:05:19 PM
It seems very likely to my mind that producing a male child would probably exempt a woman from being drafted into the guard but maybe it should be two. If you really wanted to make a dark and horrible setting there's a lot of room for horrors down that road. As GW seems intent on making Warhammer 40k a popular mainstream property it seems unlikely they will ever go there.
Turning women into birthing tanks is a cliché. It's no longer horrifying or even surprising. It's normal and expected now. If women appear in speculative fiction, then they're probably going to be subjected to rape or forced birth because that's just how women are treated. It's an inevitability of being a woman. Even leftists acknowledge this in real life by literally referring to them as "uterus havers" nowadays.
Here's my suggestion to update it for modern times and the technological capabilities of the setting: all soy boys, transwomen, non-binaries, etc get implanted with uteruses and turned into birthing bodies too. The only people that serve in the guard are ultra alpha men with roided up bodies.
Quote from: Ghostmaker on July 25, 2022, 07:57:38 AM
Quote from: David Johansen on July 24, 2022, 09:05:19 PM
It seems very likely to my mind that producing a male child would probably exempt a woman from being drafted into the guard but maybe it should be two. If you really wanted to make a dark and horrible setting there's a lot of room for horrors down that road. As GW seems intent on making Warhammer 40k a popular mainstream property it seems unlikely they will ever go there.
The Vostroyan Firstborn regiments have a tradition which involves newly minted regiments of men getting hooked up with girls for a night, so that they can sire another generation.
And that's on the nicer side of the spectrum. Pretty sure the Death Korps of Krieg uses vat-grown children to fill out its ranks.
Cloning vats are honestly much easier to care for than birthing bodies. They don't need to be prepared with lobotomies and amputations (or uterus implants in the case of repurposed non-alpha males), they don't produce piss and shit that you need to constantly clean up, etc.
Honestly, it's more efficient to just get rid of all the women entirely and use cloning vats instead.
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on July 25, 2022, 10:44:39 AM
Quote from: David Johansen on July 24, 2022, 09:05:19 PM
It seems very likely to my mind that producing a male child would probably exempt a woman from being drafted into the guard but maybe it should be two. If you really wanted to make a dark and horrible setting there's a lot of room for horrors down that road. As GW seems intent on making Warhammer 40k a popular mainstream property it seems unlikely they will ever go there.
Turning women into birthing tanks is a cliché. It's no longer horrifying or even surprising. It's normal and expected now. If women appear in speculative fiction, then they're probably going to be subjected to rape or forced birth because that's just how women are treated. It's an inevitability of being a woman. Even leftists acknowledge this in real life by literally referring to them as "uterus havers" nowadays.
Here's my suggestion to update it for modern times and the technological capabilities of the setting: all soy boys, transwomen, non-binaries, etc get implanted with uteruses and turned into birthing bodies too. The only people that serve in the guard are ultra alpha men with roided up bodies.
Quote from: Ghostmaker on July 25, 2022, 07:57:38 AM
Quote from: David Johansen on July 24, 2022, 09:05:19 PM
It seems very likely to my mind that producing a male child would probably exempt a woman from being drafted into the guard but maybe it should be two. If you really wanted to make a dark and horrible setting there's a lot of room for horrors down that road. As GW seems intent on making Warhammer 40k a popular mainstream property it seems unlikely they will ever go there.
The Vostroyan Firstborn regiments have a tradition which involves newly minted regiments of men getting hooked up with girls for a night, so that they can sire another generation.
And that's on the nicer side of the spectrum. Pretty sure the Death Korps of Krieg uses vat-grown children to fill out its ranks.
Cloning vats are honestly much easier to care for than birthing bodies. They don't need to be prepared with lobotomies and amputations (or uterus implants in the case of repurposed non-alpha males), they don't produce piss and shit that you need to constantly clean up, etc.
Honestly, it's more efficient to just get rid of all the women entirely and use cloning vats instead.
Yeah, except that never ends well. After the mess left by Corax when he tried to use bulk cloning to restock the Raven Guard, the Imperium has always been a little cautious about mass production of humans.