The original Macross is basically the same as "The Macross Saga" in Robotech. It's definitely got better music--the Minmay songs are catchy rather than annoying, and the incidental music is at least a little better. I don't know what the Japanese voice acting sounds like to a native, but to me it has more character and sounds more mature.  The script also doesn't have as much heavy-handed narration. For the most part, it's little things like that which make it better, but there's also the fact that it isn't cut up--IIRC Robotech spliced in bits of Southern Cross to create continuity.

Honestly, I think the overall arc of Robotech is a good epic concept, but the individual cartoons (including Mospeada) are better on their own in their original forms.* And the Macross Movie and sequels (except Macross II, which is non-canonical and boring) are each really good even if they don't form a grand arc. I'd especially point to Macross Plus and Macross Zero.

*Plus there's Orguss which wasn't used as part of Robotech but had many of the same creative crew as Macross & Southern Cross, and is quite cool in its own right.

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Quote from: Arminius;977859Can't look at the doc right now, but many of the original BT mech designs were indeed identical to those from Macross (the anime that was spliced into the first 1/3 of RT) because plastic model kits from Macross were being imported through several channels. I don't remember if it was a case of the BT creators being unaware of the cartoon when they came across the models and figuring nobody would care about the IP, or someone selling them the rights who didn't actually have them to sell. But for a while it seemed BT had dropped those designs and that was that. Did they start using them again, or designs closely based on them?

Thats because FASA had the rights to use the mechs from Macross and Dougram. Mostly Dougram.

The problem was that the licensing was contested. AND George Lucas went after then for originally calling it BattleDroids because obviously George invented the term Droid and owns the shortening of the word android. Yeah right.

Palladium had a similar problem with Macross Plus as the whole series wasnt exactly on solid legal footing.

But the idea of HG going after the movie BT or anything else is just plain greed. The movie mechs likely wont look a thing like the ones in the game and the current BT designs dont look like the Macross units anymore. Or at least didnt last I saw them.

Quote from: Justin Alexander;978299It's pretty clear that Bandai signed an absolutely terrible licensing deal back in the '80s with Harmony Gold when anime was worth basically nothing in America. (To be fair, Harmony Gold played a significant role in make anime worth something in America.)

This happened alot. Takara ended up stonewalled by Mego for decades after signing off all the US rights to Microman except for the Change-man and Diaclone lines that became Transformers. Long after Mego was DOA the creator of the company was ruthlessly hanging onto the US license to blockate Takara from ever selling Microman in the US. That went on to 2010 or so.

TSR did the same with Solomon giving him exclusive rights to make D&D movies and hes blockaded them since unless hes involved or gets a cut. Apparently that means no cartoons either.

Watch your damn contracts.

I may be mistaken,  but I don't think Bandai was involved with licensing Macross to HG back in the '80s. The cartoon rights contract was between Tatsunoko and HG.

Bandai did make some Macross toys and models back in the '80s. I'm not sure if any of those were imported by TCI, or by Revell in their short-lived "Robotech" model line. But it seemed to me when I was following this stuff that Bandai only became involved legally in the 2000s

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Wow, thanks Ras Algethi - that was both more interesting and more informative than I expected when I clicked on the video.  Although I have to say, my take away at the moment is that Palladium needs to get Robotech Tactics out soon, because it sounds like in less than four years their sub-license will end.

Quote from: Justin Alexander;978299Look, I get that you go into virtually every thread on this site, proclaim your ignorance, and then spout off nonsense. But you should know that it makes you look like an idiot.



It's pretty clear that Bandai signed an absolutely terrible licensing deal back in the '80s with Harmony Gold when anime was worth basically nothing in America. (To be fair, Harmony Gold played a significant role in make anime worth something in America.)

You're hilarious. You go into every thread and pronounce your omniscience and then fail to demonstrate basic knowledge. You know shit about the law, that much is obvious. Go study up and come back for your slice of humble pie, moron.

Following since this has been a topic of interest to me for a decade or few.

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Quote from: Dumarest;997193You're hilarious. You go into every thread and pronounce your omniscience and then fail to demonstrate basic knowledge. You know shit about the law, that much is obvious. Go study up and come back for your slice of humble pie, moron.

Well, to be honest, you do go into every thread and post something.  Sometimes it's interesting, and more often it's shit.  Although I do have to credit you for your icon there - it's exactly the kind of shit eating grin I imagine you wearing when you post those things.

(And yes, I'm shitting in the thread too.  This is a reminder of my "Every user is a troll" theory of rpgsite.)

Quote from: jcfiala;997374Well, to be honest, you do go into every thread and post something.  Sometimes it's interesting, and more often it's shit.  Although I do have to credit you for your icon there - it's exactly the kind of shit eating grin I imagine you wearing when you post those things.

(And yes, I'm shitting in the thread too.  This is a reminder of my "Every user is a troll" theory of rpgsite.)

Any chance you plan on posting the full thesis? It could make for some interesting reading.

Quote from: kosmos1214;997391Any chance you plan on posting the full thesis? It could make for some interesting reading.

I could, but by leaving you unsatisfied, I'm a more successful troll.

Quote from: Arminius;978278I'd especially point to Macross Plus and Macross Zero.

In spite of a bit of BEM alien cheese, Macross Frontier is pretty damn astounding.