Quote from: GRIM;750963If they want to be Suey Park to my Colbert, they're free to do so, but she and they are delving into self parody.

I think it's more accurate to say that they're a bunch of angry people on an Internet forum to your Suey Park.  I mean, you've managed to rile up a bunch of people on an Internet forum.  Congrats, that was a tough nut to crack.

I would pay good money for Stephen Colbert level satire in this hobby, but I don't know if it's not possible given the subject matter, or if people capable of that level of scathing with are better paid doing nearly anything else, but this -- this is definitely not an example of it.

Quote from: One Horse Town;751034If you think this is subtle and nuanced, i shudder to think what you consider crass and unsubtle.

It was apparently too subtle and nuanced for RPGnet

From: "This isn't "like playing a game about WW2 as the Nazis." This is like playing a game about WW2 where the Aryans get superiority bonuses."

(Seemingly not understanding that the person with the least privilege wins the game...)

To: "Hey now, let's not forget the third-party d20 supplement that treated women who gamed as mysterious, unknowable and all-controlling creatures that are not like us, the gamers."

(Seemingly not understanding that this was the whole point of the Slayer's Guide to Female Gamers, to exaggerate to the level of absurdity the - presumed - male attitude towards women in the hobby).

Or: Chav the knifing is classist.

(Seemingly not understanding that the real target was tabloids like the Daily Mail and how they create a demonic image of the underclass. Were I doing it today the target would probably be UKIP and the BNP via immigration with a side-swipe at White Wolf's notorious Gypsy supplement).

Then there's the weird attitude that the cards from this game somehow represent my own views. Take the 'brown person' card, which simultaneously makes fun of peoples (presumed) inability to tell certain races apart AND the tendency of some to use this inability in others as a bludgeon during argument. Similarly, other card 'quotes' are there to make fun of people's backward attitudes. The transwoman one - for example - talks about 'concealed carry' now being legal in many states.

I keep coming back to the Suey Park/Colbert thing as its recent enough for people to remember and it carries across pretty well. If you've seen her HuffPo interview you'll note that she doesn't really seem to understand how satire works and then descends into self-parody at the end.

Perhaps if my name hadn't been attached they wouldn't have read it according to their existing prejudices. We'll never know.

It's funny how the old lies rise to the top again though and no amount of refutations seem to gain traction.

Here's the interview I was referring to.

Look I am just glad some one is pointing out the social justice warrior shit.  I also think this forum needs a thicker skin because frankly social justice warriors deserves nothing.  They shouldn't even be defended.

They are fucking parasites that eventual destroy the very causes they try to promote.  They piss off other people and create a divide when actual activists try make the other side see their argument.  Once they done fucking shit up these social justice warriors sit back, bitch in the internet, and suck the life out of real causes.

You want social justice warriors off your back?  You do what EA does and buy them out.  Once they got their bribe money they will say how progressive you are because at the end of the day it isn't because they care for the cause.  They just want to reap the benefits of the cause.

I mean for crying out loud social justice warriors made up this shit.

Well , I gave it my best shot over there but there's like 20 of them and only 1 of me , I don't stand much chance !

Simon, would you like a comp copy?

Quote from: Simon Owen;751105Well , I gave it my best shot over there but there's like 20 of them and only 1 of me , I don't stand much chance !

Oh, horseshit.

If you're going to be a cock-munching troll for the lulz, at least have the balls to admit it.

Don't go poking people with a stick and then complaining when they punch you.  You're not only a fourth-rate troll, you're a whiny ass little bitch.

And here's your engraved invitation to tongue my pee hole.

Quote from: GRIM;751080It was apparently too subtle and nuanced for RPGnet

From: "This isn't "like playing a game about WW2 as the Nazis." This is like playing a game about WW2 where the Aryans get superiority bonuses."

(Seemingly not understanding that the person with the least privilege wins the game...)

To: "Hey now, let's not forget the third-party d20 supplement that treated women who gamed as mysterious, unknowable and all-controlling creatures that are not like us, the gamers."

(Seemingly not understanding that this was the whole point of the Slayer's Guide to Female Gamers, to exaggerate to the level of absurdity the - presumed - male attitude towards women in the hobby).

Or: Chav the knifing is classist.

(Seemingly not understanding that the real target was tabloids like the Daily Mail and how they create a demonic image of the underclass. Were I doing it today the target would probably be UKIP and the BNP via immigration with a side-swipe at White Wolf's notorious Gypsy supplement).

Then there's the weird attitude that the cards from this game somehow represent my own views. Take the 'brown person' card, which simultaneously makes fun of peoples (presumed) inability to tell certain races apart AND the tendency of some to use this inability in others as a bludgeon during argument. Similarly, other card 'quotes' are there to make fun of people's backward attitudes. The transwoman one - for example - talks about 'concealed carry' now being legal in many states.

I keep coming back to the Suey Park/Colbert thing as its recent enough for people to remember and it carries across pretty well. If you've seen her HuffPo interview you'll note that she doesn't really seem to understand how satire works and then descends into self-parody at the end.

Perhaps if my name hadn't been attached they wouldn't have read it according to their existing prejudices. We'll never know.

It's funny how the old lies rise to the top again though and no amount of refutations seem to gain traction.

Or maybe you're not nearly as clever as you think.  "Satirical intent" does not necessarily equal "successful."  Personally, from the preview posted the game looks ridiculous, like somebody took the vestige of a good idea and carried it out in the most hamfisted way possible.

Quote from: Old Geezer;751119Oh, horseshit.

If you're going to be a cock-munching troll for the lulz, at least have the balls to admit it.

Don't go poking people with a stick and then complaining when they punch you.  You're not only a fourth-rate troll, you're a whiny ass little bitch.

And here's your engraved invitation to tongue my pee hole.

Pretty much.

When someone walks by the monkey cage and gets shit thrown on them, I feel bad for them and blame the monkeys.

If someone keeps walking into the monkey cage and taunts them, I don't feel that sorry for him for getting shit thrown on him, for it is in the monkey's nature to throw shit, and you're asking for it.

Quote from: GRIM;751106Simon, would you like a comp copy?

Aw shucks ! No , its ok , I'll go and buy a copy from DriveThru as you deserve some money for your efforts.

I used to have problems because I used to play a lot of Battletech and I used the name ' Grand Dragon ' on certain forums : it's the name of one of the mechs in the game but people thought I was affiliated with the KKK or something !

Quote from: Old Geezer;751119Oh, horseshit.

If you're going to be a cock-munching troll for the lulz, at least have the balls to admit it.

Don't go poking people with a stick and then complaining when they punch you.  You're not only a fourth-rate troll, you're a whiny ass little bitch.

And here's your engraved invitation to tongue my pee hole.

And like fuck you , you piece of shit ! You don't know me and you don't know why I do anything so shut the fuck up. Tongue your own peehole you old bastard , you'll probably enjoy it !

Quote from: Old Geezer;751121Or maybe you're not nearly as clever as you think.  "Satirical intent" does not necessarily equal "successful."  Personally, from the preview posted the game looks ridiculous, like somebody took the vestige of a good idea and carried it out in the most hamfisted way possible.

Or maybe I overestimate the intelligence of others while underestimating their pomposity. This seems more likely. Given the kind of people getting upset are primarily the kind of people the game skewers, it seems quite successful - all things considered.

Quote from: Sacrosanct;751124When someone walks by the monkey cage and gets shit thrown on them, I feel bad for them and blame the monkeys.

If someone keeps walking into the monkey cage and taunts them, I don't feel that sorry for him for getting shit thrown on him, for it is in the monkey's nature to throw shit, and you're asking for it.

Don't feel sorry for me , I'll live.