I'd really like to meet some of these social justice warriors that don't understand the difference between prejudice... etc. etc.
You're being cheeky with me right? heh. I was banned from RPGnet defending the accusations from the Usual Suspects *there* that Paizo writ-large are a bunch of racists because their creation, Golarion was "racist".
Now... I don't personally care to go back and sift through the detritus of that site (especially after this JD incident) - but as far as I know only the mods there have the ability to ban people. I didn't just ban myself. Nor do I wade into heated discussions seeking to be banned. (regardless of what you might assume, I'll put that to rest, just in case).
And the sycophantic that play Grima Wormtongue to those mods, who shout people down for merely asking questions and not even directly opposing them get carte blanche to break those very same rules? And you're okay with that? I'd be fine if they applied their rules consistently, but that's not what they do.
Hell, as far as I can tell, half the people on THIS forum have been banned from the Big Purple, and a lot of it has to do with the SJW attitude there. Are you being serious? Please tell me you're not.
Yeah. Guess what? That's pretty much the number one thing we say. White people can't speak for black people, cisgender people can't speak for transgender people, straight people can't speak for gay people, etc. Being allies is great, but when some bad shit happens, people who aren't the targets should generally be supportive of the targets, not go off on their own crusade.
*First* - I don't know who *you* are. Don't even pretend to aside from enjoying the discussion.
Second - This is a joke right? I've been inundated with SJW irony-humor so much in the last two-days that my detector is completely broken...
This ludicrous notion that "SJWs" are cynically appropriating other peoples' struggles for credit is ridiculous. You can say whatever you want about my rants against sexism or homophobia or transphobia, but I'm a gay transsexual woman and I talk about that stuff because it affects me directly. I've had people tell me I was going to hell, ask family members why they hadn't shot me for transitioning, send creepy propositions online, or treat me like an imbecile when they see my female usernames. So that's stuff I feel pretty inclined to discuss. That's the stuff many of my friends discuss, too. We're usually the ones who get cited as the SJWs over there, so I'm not sure who you're talking about.
Yeah - I don't think I was talking to you. As you yourself indicated... you're not sure who I'm talking about but decided to assume I was (I wasn't.) I think I've been pretty clear. to be be clear - it's not you. But if you want to rant at me about your particular issues... well I'm always open to discuss them.
GRIM's card game? Most of the people in that thread over there weren't "SJWs," but just regular users. I sure as heck haven't commented on that particular card, because that's not my place.
So, you're saying that you think this is about a card-game? I'm talking about a much larger picture generally. The emotional ranting and shit spawned by that forum, which btw I *NEVER* even knew who JD WAS until it blew up on that forum, was generated completely free of me. I was looking for something asinine relating to the race-thread concerning "Japs" here. And there that shit-storm was raging...
Whether you want to call the people at the Big Purple "Regulars" or not... the Mods *ARE* responsible for that site. And what do you have when the Mods themselves are participating in those very toxic mob rants? Sorry... You're wrong. And being an SJW has unfortunately become a pejorative for the *very* reason you're missing? You can't have it both ways. It can't be the chickens running the coop WHILE the guy owning the chickens is running around trying to fuck them all.
And in case you start telling me the Mods are allowed to have their opinion. Yes - I will agree. But then I will also say that they must then take full responsibility for the perception of their actions - and that means their entire site including the people that feel comfortable there, or as you put it, "the regulars". Because *those* people seem to be able to break the forum rules without penalty. And the mods themselves do it too.
The mere fact JD *IS* a game developer and that shitstorm is disguised as a discussion about a card-game is insulting to *everyone's* intelligence. If it weren't - we wouldn't be having this discussion would we?
As someone who is regularly labeled an "SJW", and as a woman, though? Sure, I have every damn right to comment on shit that's talking about me. (And my comments have been, "Your mechanic is funny, your cards aren't really that witty, and Ettin's game is funny." And Ettin's game _is_ funny, not because of who he targets, but because of gems like "you're so white bread, when you were born your mom dinged like a toaster." If GRIM had lines like that, this card game would have met with a lot less "this fucking sucks" from people who don't even like SJWs.)
So you obviously put a lot into labels. I think that's where you and I are on different continents emotionally. I wasn't referring to you (I don't pretend to know you, so knowing you're coming from this POV - you can put your guard down).
I long ago learned to discharge the idea that someone else gets to decide things for me. Sure you can do it on the surface as a point of reference. But my ego doesn't depend on such things. Actions define you. What you think you're thoughts are... are kinda cheap. What you do with them, that's where the rubber hits the road. Picking up a label and parading it around on an internet forum (as is the case in this topic on SJW's) isn't helping *anyone* who is suffering from real discriminatory threats. NO ONE.
Trying to tell people otherwise on the internet and worse: attacking their livelihood because of a groupthink spawned misconception is dangerous to this community. And whether I, or anyone here at RPGsite likes it or not, the people that go to the Big Purple *are* a big part of the internet gaming community (maybe not gaming writ-large). And it is troubling in the context of our hobby.
Have you actually been over there lately, or kept track of who is saying what? Or are you just going off of things you hear here and assuming that the "rpg.net SJWs" are this big monolithic blob who are synonymous with Tumblr SJWs.*
*Seriously, we make fun of those folks more than people here do.
I'm going to take you at face value. So if you're joking, I do apologize.
Yes I was "just over there". No I don't take down names of people who have "wronged me on the internet", I find that idea asinine. I also find the notion of your emotional investment in your view on this topic of identifying with a term like "SJW"... well, less than "well-thought", to be polite. The amount of conflation you're putting into the particulars of this issue based on *YOUR* personal issues is disingenuous at least, and outright ridiculous at most.
See the reason I don't "wring my hands" about those things is because I actually do participate in helping people with real issues in my real life. Just like I saved lives of people who shot at me during the King riots for thinking I was a Korean (yep in the heat of rioting, all slanted eyes look the same), just like I participate and host interfaith dialogs in my community, just like I deal with people in my own life who, like you, (assuming you're being serious) are trans-gendered, and gay. I work in healthcare now - it's my job to care, and I DO care, or I wouldn't be doing this professionally. It's something I derive great personal satisfaction out of. Especially when people who have issues and they come to me to try and see the bigger picture, other than the picture they concoct of reality that centers on... you guessed it: themselves.
*NO* one can stand up to the kind of scrutiny of one's own ego without great discipline.
That's why SJW's are often wrong in their execution of their ideas. They're taking their own emotional issues and steamrolling everyone involved in a cultural problem without allowing for the possibility that they, themselves, are part of the problem. And isn't *that* just it? Again, assuming you're serious - you have issues right? (hint: we all do) Why do you think that those issues don't impact how you apprehend your beliefs especially online?
One of the hardest things another human can do is understand and admit to themselves that other people have the capacity to feel emotion as strongly as yourself. Sounds obvious, but if you stop and consider how SJW discussions turn out most of the time... you'll see it's not reason that's being discussed. It's emotional invectives.
It's like the old saying: "you are the sum total of all your life's decisions. Hows that working for you?"
That's something most people with big issues don't want to acknowledge. It's easier to go crusading based on the principles that ones life is a series of bad results and circumstances, rather than addressing how you handled them in the aftermath.
So when you talk about your trans-gendered issues - I'm trying to relate from my experiences of trauma (which I won't go into details unless you wanna talk about it in PM's) but the sum of them for me is always about how you deal with it. I find that bickering with people to the point where you're going to: censor, /ignore, stalk, or go to the lengths of creating products as equally as crass as the accused by their OWN standards - is unproductive to say the least.
Is that how we want, as the gaming community, to comport ourselves? There's a reason this site exists... right?