Quote from: GRIM;750754It looks simple, I don't know about 'shit'. I don't have as much time for side projects, or as much spare money for them, so had to so everything myself. The system is surprisingly deep in terms of gameplay really.

Have you read the thread on RPG.net James ? If so , what do you think of it ? I'm guessing most people over there haven't played the game and so are critical of the subject matter rather than the gameplay mechanics.

Quote from: GRIM;750754It looks simple, I don't know about 'shit'. I don't have as much time for side projects, or as much spare money for them, so had to so everything myself. The system is surprisingly deep in terms of gameplay really.

The Great Satan speaks!

Quote from: GRIM;750754It looks simple, I don't know about 'shit'. I don't have as much time for side projects, or as much spare money for them, so had to so everything myself. The system is surprisingly deep in terms of gameplay really.

What goes on in your head?

I can see no version of this that ends well for anyone.

I think we can safely say that what you call satire is anything but, and i'm even willing to put that down to you being shit at it, rather than the motives being ascribed to you, but what a waste of...i dunno, energy? Words? Life?

I'm really not familiar with being on the side of this argument that defends this sort of stuff. I hate it all - sure i recognise your right to produce it, but that's no free-pass from criticism.

Maybe i'm being naive in thinking that you're just pissed off with having to defend writing 'he' instead of 'she' and having stuff in gaming that doesn't appeal to bronies, but this? It's just a crass attention grab.

Do some research on satire, mate, if you want to keep treading those boards.

Admit it though, "These cards can also be used to create random Tumblr profiles." was pretty funny.

I looked up a definition of satire on the Internet and it came back with this :

" The use of humour, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues. "

The question is : are ' social justice warriors ' a worthy target of satire ? ( whether it's good , bad , effective or non-effective satire is a relative judgment ).  If they are , then how do you attack them without being offensive and crass since they have taken up a moral high ground that can't be assailed without making their attacker look prejudiced and mean spirited ?

I don't know what the answer is but I feel uneasy about the kneejerk reaction thats going on ' over there ' and the fact that there seems to be a virtual lynch mob forming over this issue.

Quote from: Simon Owen;750829there seems to be a virtual lynch mob forming over this issue.

That's what they do.  I can envision a movement to boycott Chronicle City until they agree to never speak to him again.  Maybe we'll get another youtube performance, My Way wasn't half bad.

Quote from: Sacrosanct;750650That 1 star rating they're gonna get from all the SJWs is gonna sting a bit, since it affects their overall publisher rating.

If only there were some way that he could have not released an intentionally shoddy product, designed purely to upset purely.

(And that's not a "this shouldn't exist" statement, he can release whatever he likes, just as everyone else can buy it or not as they like. But that doesn't absolve him from criticism or comment, and it doesn't mean people can't judge him for his actions or his company for their releases. You can't claim free speech and then complain about people using that against you.)

If you want to solve the problem of users reviewing things based off kneejerk impulses rather than actual experience with the product, fine, that's a conversation with value, but I'm not going to go to that discussion over this. As it is, someone has evidently bought it, in order to leave what reviews there are.

Quote from: CRKrueger;750840That's what they do.  I can envision a movement to boycott Chronicle City until they agree to never speak to him again.  Maybe we'll get another youtube performance, My Way wasn't half bad.

Angus and Grim are friends, as far as I know, and I can't see Angus doing such a grovelling, hideous non-apology as Mongoose ("Oh okay, we'll never reprint this book which we were never going to reprint anyway, and we'll never rehire this author who works for another publisher anyway").

And that's the frustrating thing to watch, Grim is clearly talented enough, he just wastes it on puerile stuff like this. I'm sure there's a great game in the concept of antagonistic forum cultures, but this doesn't look like it.

Greg Stolze's epic burn was worth reading that thread for; it's even better than OHT's.

Quote from: Simon Owen;750829The question is : are ' social justice warriors ' a worthy target of satire ?

They're somewhere between 'worthy-of-satire' (eg: annoying political party you don't like) and 'too evil to be satirisable' (eg: terrorists). I would put some in the former category, some in the latter. They often seem amusing, but a society run by them (or rather their non-slacktivist comrades) isn't funny.

Obviously YMMV.

Well, check the Middle Class card if you think it's all punching down.

I've tried to spare myself from looking too much at that thread on RPGnet but from what I did see it's the same old lies and misrepresentations as usual - albeit they've stopped short of actually accusing me of rape this time.

A popular complaint about it seems to be that it's not fair to make fun of the powerless. I'd take two issues with that assessment:

1. Social Justice Warriors are not powerless.
2. It's perfectly possible to use satirical 'bad' representations in order to highlight other people's awfulness.

If they want to be Suey Park to my Colbert, they're free to do so, but she and they are delving into self parody.

While I share many of the social goals of SJWs I find their shrill, nonsensical bullshit to be both counterproductive and risible. I place free expression higher on my totem pole of 'shit worth fighting for' than 'someone's fee-fees'.

If you don't understand the kind of people whose egos I'm pricking with this I have a Twitter list 'Rich vein of fail' for SJ extremists that you're welcome to peruse or you can spend 5 minutes on social justice Tumblr.

I also recommend plebcomics on Tumblr.

There's a design diary here if you care to read.

Quote from: Ladybird;750945And that's the frustrating thing to watch, Grim is clearly talented enough, he just wastes it on puerile stuff like this. I'm sure there's a great game in the concept of antagonistic forum cultures, but this doesn't look like it.

I humbly submit that it is. Like a lot of my stuff that gets people riled up, not as puerile as it might 'seem'.

I think they've been banging on in that thread about Chav as being classist, when it's really more about poking fun at both the brutality of the British underclass AND the hype and hate directed at them by the likes of the Daily Mail.

Similarly, the mob likes to bay about the Slayer's Guide to Female Gamers as though the target was genuinely lady gamers, rather than the (supposed) horror, terror and bad sexist attitudes they engender amongst male gamers.

It is also frustrating to have circling packs of hyenas waiting every time you do something, especially if they completely miss the point, especially when their reaction was predicted in the full title.

As I've said, I haven't had much time for personal projects as I've been working on CC stuff but working in a larger scope and with other people is a slow process.

I have 3 big projects in the pipeline there/here.
One, virtually finished, is a multicultural, child-friendly project of the type these Tumblr-tots will probably appreciate in other circumstances.
One is going to be undeservedly controversial, but hopefully can overcome that due to popularity.
One has a great deal of potential to be a multi gameworld rules set for high powered, high octane adventures.

And there's a lot more in the pipeline.

Postmortem is more likely to be this sort of experimental release for the foreseeable future.

Quote from: S'mon;750952..'too evil to be satirisable' (eg: terrorists).

Oh, I don't know... Four Lions did a pretty good job and Achmed the dead terrorist is fucking hilarious.

Quote from: Simon Owen;750829The question is : are ' social justice warriors ' a worthy target of satire ?

Everybody and everything is worthy of satire. Everybody and everything should be laughed at. And I mean that with the deepest sincerity.

Quote from: BarefootGaijin;751005Everybody and everything is worthy of satire. Everybody and everything should be laughed at. And I mean that with the deepest sincerity.

I agree, but satire is a very difficult type of comedy to do well; it is very easy to fuck up and simply do "[thing] is shit" instead, which is just boring after the hundredth time.

Four Lions is a fantastic film, for example, but it's joke isn't "terrorists are shit"; it goes to great lengths to show you the characters and why they hold the ideologies they do, even while they are being generally crap (See also, Dad's Army).

Quote from: Ladybird;751024I agree, but satire is a very difficult type of comedy to do well; it is very easy to fuck up and simply do "[thing] is shit" instead, which is just boring after the hundredth time.

Four Lions is a fantastic film, for example, but it's joke isn't "terrorists are shit"; it goes to great lengths to show you the characters and why they hold the ideologies they do, even while they are being generally crap (See also, Dad's Army).

I don't think it's that difficult. Maybe I should just pick more conventional targets and stop trying to be subtle and nuanced.

Quote from: GRIM;751026I don't think it's that difficult. Maybe I should just pick more conventional targets and stop trying to be subtle and nuanced.

If you think this is subtle and nuanced, i shudder to think what you consider crass and unsubtle.