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FFG's Star Wars RPG beta (discuss)

Started by Shawn Driscoll, August 17, 2012, 04:19:38 PM

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Shawn Driscoll

August 17, 2012, 04:19:38 PM
http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_news.asp?eidn=3496

This made me think about the other Star Wars RPGs that were published in years past.  Which one of the bunch is now considered the most sought after?

jeff37923

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August 17, 2012, 04:21:59 PM
Quote from: Shawn Driscoll;572619http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_news.asp?eidn=3496

This made me think about the other Star Wars RPGs that were published in years past.  Which one of the bunch is now considered the most sought after?

I am more interested in this than I am in D&D Next.
"Meh."

Tahmoh

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August 17, 2012, 04:28:33 PM
Looks good but im not sure i can justify $30 for a beta document.

Rum Cove

#3
August 17, 2012, 04:29:51 PM
I lost all interest in Star Wars after Episode I, but I am curious to know what the system is all about.

Ladybird

#4
August 17, 2012, 04:37:01 PM
That publication model sounds familiar, but I can't put my genetically-enhanced POWER FINGER on where.

Also, I wonder if it develops from the WFRP3 system, which is a fine core mechanic.
one two FUCK YOU

Shawn Driscoll

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August 17, 2012, 04:50:08 PM Last Edit: August 17, 2012, 04:53:12 PM by Shawn Driscoll
Yes, I think many customers will have learned from their Warhammer RPG book purchases.

Ghost Whistler

#6
August 17, 2012, 04:58:25 PM
Oh dear.

Aside from the ridiculous model processing the setting $30 for a beta just confirms that FFG have lost the plot.
"Ghost Whistler" is rated PG-13 (Parents strongly cautioned). Parental death, alien battles and annihilated worlds.

crkrueger

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August 17, 2012, 05:01:44 PM
It's hardcopy only, no digital.  So it's not a pdf that gets you a discount on the hardcover, it's a 224-page softcover $30 beta book.

Since it's not a pdf, and they actually had to pay to print this thing, I don't know if they are going to be able to discount the final book.

I realize they want to make big noise at GenCon, and they might do it, but with charging $30 for a Beta that people are going to spend $50-60 for when they get the hardcover, it might just be the sound of laughter.

Never underestimate the power of StarWars fandom, however.

Games Workshop, now LucasArts.  FFG has a penchant for licensing IPs from insane people.
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Ghost Whistler

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August 17, 2012, 05:11:41 PM
Quote from: CRKrueger;572647It's hardcopy only, no digital.  So it's not a pdf that gets you a discount on the hardcover, it's a 224-page softcover $30 beta book.

Since it's not a pdf, and they actually had to pay to print this thing, I don't know if they are going to be able to discount the final book.

I realize they want to make big noise at GenCon, and they might do it, but with charging $30 for a Beta that people are going to spend $50-60 for when they get the hardcover, it might just be the sound of laughter.

Never underestimate the power of StarWars fandom, however.

Games Workshop, now LucasArts.  FFG has a penchant for licensing IPs from insane people.
Hardcopy? What? This makes no sense. So it's not a beta, it's a finished product they know will be full of mistakes because their writing/editing staff are hopeless. And people are choosing to pay for this? Christian Petersen must be laughing his custom nuts off.

I dont think this has anything to do with the Lucas (or GW in the case of 40K). This is just plain money grubbing from a company I used to respect. FFG have hit rock bottom with this. Someone should tell them from me. Maybe I can hire Malcom Tucker to unleash a shitstorm on them.

If you want playtesters then hire or find some and give them digital files they can print. Then test the game, and then publish it. This is the most ass backwards thing I've ever heard.
"Ghost Whistler" is rated PG-13 (Parents strongly cautioned). Parental death, alien battles and annihilated worlds.

Ghost Whistler

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August 17, 2012, 05:14:24 PM
Quote from: Ladybird;572636That publication model sounds familiar, but I can't put my genetically-enhanced POWER FINGER on where.

Also, I wonder if it develops from the WFRP3 system, which is a fine core mechanic.
THis is a poor fit for that kind of approach. It works ok for 40k because the different elements (ie character choices) are more exclusive. But here if you want to include force users or even play one you have to wait a couple of years. Whoever signed off on that decision at ffg needs to be fired, absolutely pushed out the door with their p45 and told to catch a bus to the other side of fuck.
"Ghost Whistler" is rated PG-13 (Parents strongly cautioned). Parental death, alien battles and annihilated worlds.

crkrueger

#10
August 17, 2012, 05:17:30 PM
Quote from: Ghost Whistler;572651Hardcopy? What? This makes no sense. So it's not a beta, it's a finished product they know will be full of mistakes because their writing/editing staff are hopeless. And people are choosing to pay for this? Christian Petersen must be laughing his custom nuts off.

I dont think this has anything to do with the Lucas (or GW in the case of 40K). This is just plain money grubbing from a company I used to respect. FFG have hit rock bottom with this. Someone should tell them from me. Maybe I can hire Malcom Tucker to unleash a shitstorm on them.

If you want playtesters then hire or find some and give them digital files they can print. Then test the game, and then publish it. This is the most ass backwards thing I've ever heard.

Apparently they said at Gencon Lucasarts wasn't comfortable with a digital copy of the book, so that's why they couldn't do what they did with Only War.  Whether they give any discount to the final product or not, is yet to be seen.

And yeah this isn't really a "Beta" since the rules are already inked.  They might catch some proofreading stuff before final layout with art, etc.  It's a way to vacuum up cash at GenCon and get their name out as the new StarWars game.
Even the the "cutting edge" storygamers for all their talk of narrative, plot, and drama are fucking obsessed with the god damned rules they use. - Estar

Yes, Sean Connery\'s thumb does indeed do megadamage. - Spinachcat

Isuldur is a badass because he stopped Sauron with a broken sword, but Iluvatar is the badass because he stopped Sauron with a hobbit. -Malleus Arianorum

"Tangency Edition" D&D would have no classes or races, but 17 genders to choose from. -TristramEvans

Ladybird

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August 17, 2012, 05:19:57 PM
Quote from: Ghost Whistler;572651If you want playtesters then hire or find some and give them digital files they can print. Then test the game, and then publish it. This is the most ass backwards thing I've ever heard.

They'll have done the actual playtesting over the past year or two. This is a cheap ashcan edition of the game.

But by doing it this way, it had better be fucking good, or the poor press will sink it.
one two FUCK YOU

Ghost Whistler

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August 17, 2012, 05:22:00 PM
Quote from: CRKrueger;572655Apparently they said at Gencon Lucasarts wasn't comfortable with a digital copy of the book, so that's why they couldn't do what they did with Only War.  Whether they give any discount to the final product or not, is yet to be seen.

And yeah this isn't really a "Beta" since the rules are already inked.  They might catch some proofreading stuff before final layout with art, etc.  It's a way to vacuum up cash at GenCon and get their name out as the new StarWars game.

Not being allowed to do a pdf really is immaterial to the beta idea. This isn't a beta, it's a dodgy first print run from a company that knows the first print run will be full of msitakes and don't seem to care. This is the pope of ridiculous.

I will not buying this game at all. Leaving out force users in a fucking star wars game for 2 years is like releasing a star trek game that doesn't have starships.
"Ghost Whistler" is rated PG-13 (Parents strongly cautioned). Parental death, alien battles and annihilated worlds.

Rum Cove

#13
August 17, 2012, 05:24:28 PM
Quote from: Ghost Whistler;572661Leaving out force users in a fucking star wars game for 2 years is like releasing a star trek game that doesn't have starships.

Actually, this has increased my interest.  I'm tired of having an entire universe populated by a minority.

Ghost Whistler

#14
August 17, 2012, 05:26:29 PM
Quote from: Ladybird;572659They'll have done the actual playtesting over the past year or two. This is a cheap ashcan edition of the game.

But by doing it this way, it had better be fucking good, or the poor press will sink it.

Let's be honest, it won't get bad press. People will buy this like the world was ending and everything in the garden will be rosy.

I however, as the lone voice of sanity in a world gone mad, maintain this idea has as much merit as a comic book version of the koran.
"Ghost Whistler" is rated PG-13 (Parents strongly cautioned). Parental death, alien battles and annihilated worlds.
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