Have any of you seen this?

I love the comments: "they're judging it beforehand", its a "Documentary Game", "it will be able to inform people about the issue".  
What a load of fucking bullshit tripe. They've turned one of the worst atrocities of the Iraq war into a First Person Shooter so that you too can go drop White Phosphorus on ali baba.

Its sickening.

RPGPundit

what do u expect from fps developers? they already ran ww2 into the ground so now they need a new war to exploit for cash.

What atrocity?

Quote from: Werekoala;297514What atrocity?

Please tell me that you are joking?

Wow. A Fallujah game. What do you know...
Now, that's really stupid and insensitive.

I am confused by the outrage.   Do WW2 games and Vietnam games get a pass just because American's have no concept of history?

Spinachat has the right of it.

One offended Colonel said,

"These horrific events should be confined to the annuls of history, not trivialised and rendered for thrill-seekers to play out, over and over again, for ever more."

Why Fallujah rather than any other particular battle in any particular conflict? Is it merely that this one is in our generation, and the others in past generations? Was the use of white phosphorous and indscriminate use of weapons worse than over Kosovo, in Hue or Okinawa? Worse than the firebombing of Dresden or Coventry?

Let's turn the question around: if Fallujah cannot be used as a video game because of its particular nature, please describe to us the characteristics a battle or war should have for it to be allowed to have a game about it? Please list them.

I mean, I can tell you mine: a game should not be about being the perpertrators or victims of a genocide. That's going too far. Atrocities can happen in a game, but they ought not to involve the PCs, and the PCs should be fighting such people. Short of that, I'm not too fussed.

What are your particular standards?

This is not "new".

Technically such a game scenme is already possible - its called "CALL OF DUTY 4" MODERN WARFARE for the X-Box 360.

At the game store we 4 gaming pods that are basically X-Box 360s linked up with nice gaming chairs. Marines and Soldiers that have been over in Iraq say that the generic Middle East urban environment scenes are damn close to what they experienced while over there. Many of these guys get on there and say its pretty realistic....they even use Marine Corps tactics while playing.

 The only real difference between this new game and the one from two years ago for X-BOX? Its a named city and infamous battle.


- Ed C.

Quote from: Venosha;297559Please tell me that you are joking?

Well, our soldiers commit so many, I just want to make sure I know which specific one his indignation is directed against. There was, after all, a stunning lack of detail in his toss-off comment. Fallujah was a battle, made up of many engagements spread out over a protracted period, after all.

Quote from: Werekoala;297614Well, our soldiers commit so many, I just want to make sure I know which specific one his indignation is directed against. There was, after all, a stunning lack of detail in his toss-off comment. Fallujah was a battle, made up of many engagements spread out over a protracted period, after all.

QuoteThe U.S. military first denied that it has used white phosphorus as an anti-personnel weapon in Fallujah, but later retracted that denial, and admitted to using the substance in the city as an offensive weapon.[16]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallujah

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4440664.stm

I sympathize Koala.  The world today has so many atrocities, it's pretty hard keeping track of even a small subset.

Have you seen the still photos of DIME victims, for example?  It's not recommended before meals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dense_Inert_Metal_Explosive

How about the paragraph before that, for context (emphasis mine):

This led to an abortive US operation to recapture control of the city in Operation Vigilant Resolve, and a successful recapture operation in the city in November 2004, called Operation Phantom Fury in English and Operation Al Fajr in Arabic. Operation Phantom Fury resulted in the reputed death of over 1,350 insurgent fighters. Approximately 95 American troops were killed, and over 1,000 wounded. After the successful recapture of the city, U.S. forces discovered beheading chambers and bomb-making factories, which were shown to the media as evidence of Fallujah's important role in the insurgency against U.S. forces. They also found two hostages--an Iraqi and a Syrian. The Syrian was the driver for two French journalists, Christian Chesnot and Georges Malbrunot, who had been missing since August, 2004. The Iraqi's captors were Syrian; he thought he was in Syria until found by the Marines.[14] Chesnot and Malbrunot were released by their captors, the Islamic Army in Iraq, on December 21, 2004.[15]

So our troops used WP against terrorists, not civilians, as indicated in the BBC article. That's an attrocity now, is it?

As to DIME, it is stated that its purpose is to limit collateral damage (per your link) - surely a worthy goal? Sorry if it messes up the corpses a bit in the process.

Face it, some people would bitch if we hung the enemy with a new rope.

Given that this is "just" a game, will we be able to play either side?

perhaps this would be less distasteful if it waited a few years until the war ended (if it ever does) before release. That said I have no problem with Call of Duty and CoD4 is a very well made game that most certainly doesn't glorify the modern warfare it portrays.

E2A: the opinion of someone whining to the Dail Mail holds little water with me. As soon as I saw the name of that hate rag I stopped reading.

I don't see how this game is any different from any other FPS set in a war, all wars are tragic and probably shouldn't be portrayed in a game, but I don't see you whining and crying about COD4 or COD5.

Quote from: RockViper;297746I don't see how this game is any different from any other FPS set in a war, all wars are tragic and probably shouldn't be portrayed in a game, but I don't see you whining and crying about COD4 or COD5.

Speaking as someone who has (in games) slaughtered thousands of Gauls and Britons, inaccurately dropped bombs from B-17s, sunk thousands of tons of merchant shipping, and nuked entire cities, I think we have a winner.