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Title: Are WOTC secretly a Klan front?
Post by: Ratman_tf on June 10, 2020, 09:52:26 PM
https://www.polygon.com/2020/6/10/21287154/racist-magic-the-gathering-cards-banned-removed-from-database-wizards-apology

(https://ca.res.keymedia.com/files/image/schadenfreude-secret-sabotaging-workforce.jpg)
Title: Are WOTC secretly a Klan front?
Post by: David Johansen on June 10, 2020, 10:25:14 PM
Wow, that's really stretching to find something to complain about.
Title: Are WOTC secretly a Klan front?
Post by: Almost_Useless on June 10, 2020, 10:38:28 PM
How does this do anything but invite people to comb through 25 years of cards to look for the next thing to complain about?  I guess they can just scrub the entire Arabian Nights set and work out from there.
Title: Are WOTC secretly a Klan front?
Post by: Razor 007 on June 10, 2020, 10:41:05 PM
Invoke Prejudice will become the most valuable Magic card of all time.
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Post by: VisionStorm on June 10, 2020, 10:44:06 PM
What does the article say? I don't wanna give polygon clicks! :p
Title: Are WOTC secretly a Klan front?
Post by: Omega on June 10, 2020, 11:11:24 PM
Cards banned are
Invoke Prejudice: this one at least makes sense if you are going to PC your product.
Crusade: probably removed because it gives white creatures a +1/+1.
Jihad: bemusing as this was possibly a jab originally at WW for changing their CCGs name from Jihad.
Cleanse: all black creatures are destroyed. Did they allso remove any where all white are destroyed. What about blue? Please someone think of the blue!
Stone Throwing Devils: at a guess some wit thought "Sometimes those with the most sins cast the first stones" was racist.
Pradesh Gypsies: because gypsy is racist but erasure isnt.
Imprison: no clue whats racist about this? Its wearing a black mask? I guess wearing black masks is racist now. Or maybee its because its a black card and its allowing you to imprison someone? That is a nice statement against BLM. Kudos to WOTC for standing up! :rolleyes:

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"The [Invoke Prejudice] card is racist and made even worse by the multiverse ID it was unfortunately codified with years ago," Wizards said. "There's no place for racism in our game, nor anywhere else."

All cards will be replaced online with a note that calls out their racist depictions, text, or a combination thereof.

"There's much more work to be done as we continue to make our games, communities, and company more inclusive," Wizards said. "Know that we work every day to be better and that we hear you. We look forward to sharing more of our plans with you as our games and organization evolve."
Title: Are WOTC secretly a Klan front?
Post by: David Johansen on June 10, 2020, 11:16:46 PM
I've been regretting not stocking up on Dukes of Hazzard swag for the inevitable value spike.
Title: Are WOTC secretly a Klan front?
Post by: Omega on June 10, 2020, 11:21:46 PM
Quote from: David Johansen;1133530
I've been regretting not stocking up on Dukes of Hazzard swag for the inevitable value spike.

Eventually old spider man comics and cartoons will be banned because he wears red and thats misappropriation of native americans!
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Post by: DeadUematsu on June 11, 2020, 01:25:55 AM
Some of banned cards are unintentionally funny now due to the now official racist connotations.
Title: Are WOTC secretly a Klan front?
Post by: VisionStorm on June 11, 2020, 01:47:39 AM
Quote from: Omega;1133528
Cards banned are
Invoke Prejudice: this one at least makes sense if you are going to PC your product.
Crusade: probably removed because it gives white creatures a +1/+1.
Jihad: bemusing as this was possibly a jab originally at WW for changing their CCGs name from Jihad.
Cleanse: all black creatures are destroyed. Did they allso remove any where all white are destroyed. What about blue? Please someone think of the blue!
Stone Throwing Devils: at a guess some wit thought "Sometimes those with the most sins cast the first stones" was racist.
Pradesh Gypsies: because gypsy is racist but erasure isnt.
Imprison: no clue whats racist about this? Its wearing a black mask? I guess wearing black masks is racist now. Or maybee its because its a black card and its allowing you to imprison someone? That is a nice statement against BLM. Kudos to WOTC for standing up! :rolleyes:


I love how "racism" is no longer a state of mind and can be removed from all context to summarily declare things "racist" because someone dictates they are so.

And there is definitely a place for racism in games and many other places. History, for example, is full of racism and removing racism from history means we cannot learn what was racist about it or how we can avoid it. Art, similarly, may include depictions of racism when portraying certain characters or historical periods (Django is full of racist stuff).

Likewise, game worlds may include racist individuals organizations, or even cultures. Drow society in FR, for example, is very racist and dark elf supremacist. But I suppose WotC is gonna make Drow all inclusive now, and have them free all their slaves and give them fair wages.
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Post by: GeekyBugle on June 11, 2020, 02:15:22 AM
Quote from: VisionStorm;1133526
What does the article say? I don't wanna give polygon clicks! :p

You don't have to:

Polygon Article about WotC (http://archive.is/S2N3a)
Title: Are WOTC secretly a Klan front?
Post by: jeff37923 on June 11, 2020, 02:30:12 AM
Those vermin! Policing themselves! Only WE can police their thoughts! We must protest, we must do a sit-in protest! We must Occupy WotC!!
Title: Are WOTC secretly a Klan front?
Post by: VisionStorm on June 11, 2020, 02:52:47 AM
Quote from: GeekyBugle;1133551
You don't have to:

Polygon Article about WotC (http://archive.is/S2N3a)


Thanks! Archive is our friend!

This is such a massive virtue signal in light of current events. It's like they're trying to pretend WotC could prevent another tragedy by simply removing cards arbitrarily deemed "racist".

And those comments! Jeezes! So many 'yikes'. So much pearl clutching. So many people trying to pretend that they're offended by these cards now that they've been told they're racist.
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Post by: Spinachcat on June 11, 2020, 03:36:44 AM
Cancel WotC. Anything less is being complicit to waaaaycism!
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Post by: S'mon on June 11, 2020, 06:41:05 AM
Quote from: Ratman_tf;1133517
https://www.polygon.com/2020/6/10/21287154/racist-magic-the-gathering-cards-banned-removed-from-database-wizards-apology

(https://ca.res.keymedia.com/files/image/schadenfreude-secret-sabotaging-workforce.jpg)


It seems like parody. Sadly...

Gatherer, the official online database of every Magic card ever published, displays the card at a web URL ending in "1488," numbers that are synonymous with white supremacy.

On a point of information, the KKK are actually opposed to the 14/88 Nazitards. Even though they're both anti-black and anti-Semitic. I think the KKK see themselves as Christian and the 14/88ers as godless Heathens.
Title: Are WOTC secretly a Klan front?
Post by: Crusader X on June 11, 2020, 07:02:01 AM
Quote from: Omega;1133528

Crusade: probably removed because it gives white creatures a +1/+1.


This reminds me of the time at TPB when someone claimed that the Castles & Crusades rpg was problematic due to its name.
Title: Are WOTC secretly a Klan front?
Post by: Omega on June 11, 2020, 10:11:57 AM
Quote from: jeff37923;1133554
Those vermin! Policing themselves! Only WE can police their thoughts! We must protest, we must do a sit-in protest! We must Occupy WotC!!

Actually they are policing everyone with those cards by banning them. Which is absolutely nothing new. WOTC has banned or changed cards before and even one or two because they were deemed offensive. This time its just alot more PC virtue signalling. They could have dropped the cards without crowing.
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Post by: VisionStorm on June 11, 2020, 11:04:23 AM
Quote from: S'mon;1133569
It seems like parody. Sadly...

Gatherer, the official online database of every Magic card ever published, displays the card at a web URL ending in "1488," numbers that are synonymous with white supremacy.

On a point of information, the KKK are actually opposed to the 14/88 Nazitards. Even though they're both anti-black and anti-Semitic. I think the KKK see themselves as Christian and the 14/88ers as godless Heathens.


My favorite part is how that 1488 URL happened purely by coincidence, since each card gets a sequential ID based on the order it was created, but they still want to read "racism" into it, cuz the number of beast came up by pure happenstance, so they have to assume there's some greater cosmic significance to it. And that significance, of course, is deeply racist and problematic.
Title: Are WOTC secretly a Klan front?
Post by: Zalman on June 11, 2020, 11:27:54 AM
This is beyond hilarious: a game whose entire foundation rests on competing colored factions attempting to eliminate specific references to color. Because, you know, people can also be different colors (logic!). It won't be long until someone more WOAK will declare the entire game premise racist.
Title: Are WOTC secretly a Klan front?
Post by: Omega on June 11, 2020, 11:33:02 AM
WOTC should have fired, or better yet... executed, their marketing branch as these parasites have at nearly every turn tried to drag the company and product down. You can bet that they pushed for hiring more SJWs because it was trendy.
Title: Are WOTC secretly a Klan front?
Post by: Chris24601 on June 11, 2020, 11:46:51 AM
I'd say there's definitely a building market for "Hey all! Remember when you used to play games because they were fun? We have those!"

SJWs really are the Puritans 2.0.

Puritanism: angst caused by the thought that someone somewhere may be having a good time.
Title: Are WOTC secretly a Klan front?
Post by: GeekyBugle on June 11, 2020, 12:30:12 PM
Quote from: Chris24601;1133605
I'd say there's definitely a building market for "Hey all! Remember when you used to play games because they were fun? We have those!"

SJWs really are the Puritans 2.0.

Puritanism: angst caused by the thought that someone somewhere may be having a good time.

And a (maybe online at first) convention under that same premise, hell given the probable speakers, GMs etc different time zones you could even make it 24hrs during the 3 days it runs.
Title: Are WOTC secretly a Klan front?
Post by: Armchair Gamer on June 11, 2020, 12:43:50 PM
Anyone want to place bets on what happens first?

1. WotC formally endorses the "Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone."
2. DriveThruRPG bans Castles & Crusades for 'problematic content.'
Title: Are WOTC secretly a Klan front?
Post by: tenbones on June 11, 2020, 02:16:36 PM
Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1133614
Anyone want to place bets on what happens first?

1. WotC formally endorses the "Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone."
2. DriveThruRPG bans Castles & Crusades for 'problematic content.'

Man... what are the odds you're giving? That's a tight choice!
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Post by: worrapol on June 11, 2020, 02:41:03 PM
As an acquaintance observed: W.O.T.C.  = whites only total control
One shudders to think what HASBRO really stands for
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Post by: Spinachcat on June 11, 2020, 04:42:43 PM
Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1133614
1. WotC formally endorses the "Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone."


They better get on that fast!

It's like Gauntlet, "Red Commie needs food!"

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Post by: Razor 007 on June 11, 2020, 05:55:36 PM
Quote from: worrapol;1133643
As an acquaintance observed: W.O.T.C.  = whites only total control
One shudders to think what HASBRO really stands for

This thread is worthless without pictures!!!

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Post by: jhkim on June 11, 2020, 06:13:47 PM
Quote from: Razor 007;1133670
This thread is worthless without pictures!!!


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Title: Are WOTC secretly a Klan front?
Post by: Ratman_tf on June 11, 2020, 06:37:04 PM
Quote from: jhkim;1133675
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I'll do you one better. WOTC hired this artist for many MTG cards. They must have seen his portfolio.

(https://haroldarthurmcneill.weebly.com/uploads/1/9/5/3/19530513/4523487_orig.jpg)

WOTC knew they were commissioning art from a controversial artist. They have no excuse. Defund WOTC!
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Post by: VisionStorm on June 11, 2020, 06:38:56 PM
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That picture is racist and offensive, and it has NO place in our game, or anywhere else!

How dare you post that image without a NSFW filter on? Are you aware of that picture's association with white supremacist symbolism and Neo-Nazi groups? The idea of countering someone else's attempts to bring diverse individuals of color into the table is an example of colonialist white entitlement and fragility, and is very problematic. I literally can't even, smfh
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Post by: FelixGamingX1 on June 11, 2020, 10:56:01 PM
Wanna talk about how hiring SJWs can drag your company down!? Check out deer lady, she sunk twitch!



Wouldn't it be hilarious if she worked with tabletop Rpg's?
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Post by: Razor 007 on June 12, 2020, 12:06:35 AM
Quote from: FelixGamingX1;1133739
Wanna talk about how hiring SJWs can drag your company down!? Check out deer lady, she sunk twitch!



Wouldn't it be hilarious if she worked with tabletop Rpg's?

It would be interesting to hear her announce what she'd like to do on her turn.  I highly recommend Dungeon World to her.  She already has the hair for it.
Title: Are WOTC secretly a Klan front?
Post by: Omega on June 12, 2020, 12:07:14 AM
Quote from: worrapol;1133643
As an acquaintance observed: W.O.T.C.  = whites only total control
One shudders to think what HASBRO really stands for


Hasbro oddly enough seems to tolerate this only so far before they tighten WOTCs leash, again.

Eventually if they dont start acting sane the Hasbro will have to take Ol'Wotc out back and put the dog down. Thats assuming Hasbro wakes up to the spreading cancer of SJWs into their own workplace. Odds are though they wont and Hasbro will become another cancer host for this disease.
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Post by: tenbones on June 12, 2020, 01:03:54 AM
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that's funny. My Artifact deck used that card quite a bit. It was awesome.

More funny - the whole entire point of that art is to underscore the intent of the card in play. That people are offended by it is idiotic. I wonder how many people were lynched because of this card? Hasbro should be held accountable.

I still find the banning of 'Cleanse' FAR more funny. Note - they didn't remove the Black version of that card. Or the Green or Blue ones... I guess Green and Blue and White lives don't matter? We already know what happened to the Red lives...
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Post by: DocJones on June 12, 2020, 03:49:16 AM
Quote from: Omega;1133753
Thats assuming Hasbro wakes up to the spreading cancer of SJWs into their own workplace.

I don't know why, but Hasbro killed off Mrs. White from 'Clue' a few years ago.  Hmmm.
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Post by: Omega on June 12, 2020, 04:08:28 AM
Quote from: DocJones;1133781
I don't know why, but Hasbro killed off Mrs. White from 'Clue' a few years ago.  Hmmm.

Actually Ms White has changed several times over the decades. Was doing some research and was surprised to discover the following.

Not only has the roster changed over the years of the character, thought not their names, no less than three iterations of Miss Scarlett have been asian and several EU versions have her asian too.

So aside from the name change its actually nothing new.
And originally Mr Green was Reverend Green. Ms White Was originally an elderly cook, later sometimes a housekeeper, a young maid, etc.

And even an african american.
(https://cf.geekdo-images.com/camo/d1a2cc0b1784b11915819381f9ab2a813b7b2885/687474703a2f2f34312e6d656469612e74756d626c722e636f6d2f65376634386132363834633139666433396533386639623038366362393836372f74756d626c725f6e793339796c46345a6f31716935706c346f315f313238302e6a7067)
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Post by: Melan on June 12, 2020, 04:30:49 AM
Quote from: Crusader X;1133571
This reminds me of the time at TPB when someone claimed that the Castles & Crusades rpg was problematic due to its name.

Mighty conflict of interest there, ! :D

That issue was actually first raised by Calithena, former TheRPGSite poster, Fight On! editor and all-around cool guy. Everyone has flaws, that was his (and he might actually have been trolling).

Altogether, the furor over the Crusades is weird as hell. As far as I could tell, it mostly used to be viewed in historical canon as an exercise in futility: ephemeral crusader kingdoms, crusaders being cunningly manipulated in the Byzantine - Venetian shadow war, and the ultimate folly of the Children's Crusade. It was, if anything, being viewed as originally idealistic but ultimately foolish, a cautionary tale. How that has morphed into WHITEY BAD is a bizarre turn of events. Although it seems most of European history is viewed through the same lens, while, for example, the hideous slavery and near-genocidal wars endured by Europeans under the Turks is forgotten about, or written off as a minor event.

Quote from: VisionStorm;1133596
My favorite part is how that 1488 URL happened purely by coincidence, since each card gets a sequential ID based on the order it was created, but they still want to read "racism" into it, cuz the number of beast came up by pure happenstance, so they have to assume there's some greater cosmic significance to it. And that significance, of course, is deeply racist and problematic.

An obsession with numerology, secret messages, and hidden content on tapes played backwards is the ultimate sign SJWs have turned into a laughable copy of the Evangelicals. Except instead of wanting to burn your RPG books, they are... uh, they want to burn your RPG books? Yeah, it checks out. They are fundies, with a different set of books they are thumping instead of the KJV Bible.
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Post by: Spinachcat on June 12, 2020, 04:35:46 AM
Quote from: Melan;1133786
An obsession with numerology, secret messages, and hidden content on tapes played backwards is the ultimate sign SJWs have turned into a laughable copy of the Evangelicals.

If we're doing an 80s reboot, I need A LOT more hair metal.
https://metalshoprocks.torontocast.stream/listen-metal-shop/
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Post by: jeff37923 on June 12, 2020, 04:37:22 AM
Quote from: FelixGamingX1;1133739
Wanna talk about how hiring SJWs can drag your company down!? Check out deer lady, she sunk twitch!



Wouldn't it be hilarious if she worked with tabletop Rpg's?

I think that she has been shut down hard by Twitch....

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Post by: RandyB on June 12, 2020, 08:42:40 AM
Quote from: FelixGamingX1;1133739
Wanna talk about how hiring SJWs can drag your company down!? Check out deer lady, she sunk twitch!



Wouldn't it be hilarious if she worked with tabletop Rpg's?

Quote from: Razor 007;1133752
It would be interesting to hear her announce what she'd like to do on her turn.  I highly recommend Dungeon World to her.  She already has the hair for it.

"That's a man, baby!"
Title: Are WOTC secretly a Klan front?
Post by: Brand55 on June 12, 2020, 09:23:06 AM
Quote from: tenbones;1133759
I still find the banning of 'Cleanse' FAR more funny. Note - they didn't remove the Black version of that card. Or the Green or Blue ones... I guess Green and Blue and White lives don't matter? We already know what happened to the Red lives...

Cleanse is easily the most ridiculous banning for that very reason, and keep in mind that they're looking for more cards to ax. A lot of people are already buying up cards with the expectations that they'll become collectible after getting banned in the near future. I've heard Reparations is the one most people are expecting to be most likely to go next.

I swear, if they ban Mass Calcify over this garbage I'm done with them as a company. That's one of the best cards in my mono-white angels EDH deck.
Title: Are WOTC secretly a Klan front?
Post by: Brad on June 12, 2020, 09:28:50 AM
Is anyone REALLY surprised at all this? The retroactive racism bullshit is how these clowns justify tearing down Confederate monuments and renaming military bases. Western culture has been infested with such self-loathing I don't see any way out except WWIII with Leftists on one side and sane people on the other.
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Post by: VisionStorm on June 12, 2020, 09:28:59 AM
Quote from: Melan;1133786
Mighty conflict of interest there, ! :D

That issue was actually first raised by Calithena, former TheRPGSite poster, Fight On! editor and all-around cool guy. Everyone has flaws, that was his (and he might actually have been trolling).

Altogether, the furor over the Crusades is weird as hell. As far as I could tell, it mostly used to be viewed in historical canon as an exercise in futility: ephemeral crusader kingdoms, crusaders being cunningly manipulated in the Byzantine - Venetian shadow war, and the ultimate folly of the Children's Crusade. It was, if anything, being viewed as originally idealistic but ultimately foolish, a cautionary tale. How that has morphed into WHITEY BAD is a bizarre turn of events. Although it seems most of European history is viewed through the same lens, while, for example, the hideous slavery and near-genocidal wars endured by Europeans under the Turks is forgotten about, or written off as a minor event.


I didn't even hear (or at least don't remember) about the Ottoman Empire or the Islamic Slave Trade till someone brought it up during online discussions about how bad white people universally are, cuz slavery. The main focus in school was about our collective sin for slavery in the New World, particularly from Spain, since I live in a Hispanic island.

Quote from: Melan;1133786
An obsession with numerology, secret messages, and hidden content on tapes played backwards is the ultimate sign SJWs have turned into a laughable copy of the Evangelicals. Except instead of wanting to burn your RPG books, they are... uh, they want to burn your RPG books? Yeah, it checks out. They are fundies, with a different set of books they are thumping instead of the KJV Bible.


I remember one enduring urban legend when I was a kid that would sometimes come up about how the Crest toothpaste company logo was Satanic. People would go on about the moon and the 13 stars, and how it was all low key Satanic symbolism (now I wonder if the 13 stars represented the 13 Colonies, since it's a 'Murican company). That's how insane people used to be during the Satanic Panic, they would desperately look for signs of Satanic worship in the back of toothpaste.

And we have the same thing now, only now it revolves around the Cult of Interactionality and the Church of Social Justice. I am convinced that there is a fundamentalist tendency in people that's tied to whatever prevailing narrative and dominant moral system in society, and that SJWs represent that new Moral Majority.
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Post by: Melan on June 12, 2020, 10:29:51 AM
Quote from: RandyB;1133812
"That's a man, baby!"
That's a Deer Deerperson. You bigot. ;)
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Post by: tenbones on June 12, 2020, 10:37:28 AM
Quote from: Brad;1133824
Is anyone REALLY surprised at all this? The retroactive racism bullshit is how these clowns justify tearing down Confederate monuments and renaming military bases. Western culture has been infested with such self-loathing I don't see any way out except WWIII with Leftists on one side and sane people on the other.

I liken to something like this...

There is a crazy man, that insists he's a cannibal. And you're skeptical. He REEEEEEE's! And bites off his toes to prove it. And you're like "whoa"... but you could just be craaaazy. Cannibal? ehh... it's just toes, but maybe you're really a cannibal, but you know... toes. Then he pulls out a machete and starts hacking off his leg at the knee, and starts digging in.

And now... you're like. "Yeah... crazy and cannibal. I wonder how far this is gonna go." But deep down... you know how far it will go.
Title: Are WOTC secretly a Klan front?
Post by: RandyB on June 12, 2020, 10:41:14 AM
Quote from: Melan;1133835
That's a Deer Deerperson. You bigot. ;)

Tell me that's not the best you've got. :D
Title: Are WOTC secretly a Klan front?
Post by: Brad on June 12, 2020, 12:01:29 PM
Quote from: tenbones;1133837
I liken to something like this...

There is a crazy man, that insists he's a cannibal. And you're skeptical. He REEEEEEE's! And bites off his toes to prove it. And you're like "whoa"... but you could just be craaaazy. Cannibal? ehh... it's just toes, but maybe you're really a cannibal, but you know... toes. Then he pulls out a machete and starts hacking off his leg at the knee, and starts digging in.

And now... you're like. "Yeah... crazy and cannibal. I wonder how far this is gonna go." But deep down... you know how far it will go.

Sounds like a White Wolf title...Cannibal: The Stupidity
Title: Are WOTC secretly a Klan front?
Post by: Omega on June 12, 2020, 12:06:08 PM
Its more like theres this cannibal who claims to be a TV repairman. But then he eats your leg and calls you a cannibal and tells everyone else you are a cannibal. Tomorrow he will be repairing refrigerators. Think of the refrigerators!

Oh and he has this really great method for teaching others to be TV repairmen. Its so good everyone wants to be one. But those mean ol cannibals want to stop them because they hate TVs, and Refrigerators, and tomorrow radios! ghasp!
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Post by: RPGPundit on June 19, 2020, 03:57:56 AM
Technically, this thread is about M:tG, rather than RPGs. So I'm moving it to other games.
Title: Are WOTC secretly a Klan front?
Post by: Omega on June 19, 2020, 06:52:07 AM
Quote from: RPGPundit;1135036
Technically, this thread is about M:tG, rather than RPGs. So I'm moving it to other games.

Then they announced theyd be making some of the monster races in 5e less "racially insensitive" or somesuch. It did not take them long to drag D&D into their cult fantasy.
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Post by: worrapol on June 19, 2020, 06:53:44 PM
WoTC has just fired Terese Nielsen because although she is a popular Magic the Gathering artist and of the often protected lesbian class, she dared to follow accounts on Twitter deemed unacceptable by WotC, including Infowars and Mike Cernovich. If you are seen to have been exposed to the wrong words and images, you and all you produce becomes tainted, and that taint can spread retroactively through her art on Magic cards. Right wing corruption is like radiation but even worse. No physical contact is required.

Evil is amongst us, renounce the works of evil or be destroyed, all must move to a state of purity and compliance. . .

And you though games or art might just be casual entertainment. Policing is always wrong, but Inquisitions are always correct, apparently.
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Post by: Spinachcat on June 19, 2020, 08:18:48 PM
Link? Was it truly about what she read and not what she posted? Or was she giving thumbs up/hearts to WrongThink posts?
Title: Are WOTC secretly a Klan front?
Post by: worrapol on June 19, 2020, 09:26:49 PM
http://https://www.hipstersofthecoast.com/2020/06/wizards-ends-their-relationship-with-terese-nielsen/ (http://https://www.hipstersofthecoast.com/2020/06/wizards-ends-their-relationship-with-terese-nielsen/)

That can take you to other links , the artist's Twitter account has her own statements, shockingly she has supporters.

Apparently she's also guilty of being a TERF just like J.K. Rowling.

Only the positively proved pure should be involved in making games. And why limit it to artists and designers? Was the box made by the morally pure? Aren't we in danger of being tainted if the paper was made or obtained in imperfect ways? Shouldn't there be regulators and observers at every step to check the tweets, who is followed, obtaining proof not just of purity of thought but in all one's deeds? Forget contact tracers, we need thousands of inquisitors to monitor and prune away immorality. Physical hygiene begins with mental hygiene. Beware tainted people and the tainted things they produce.

Whether it is about what she read or posted seem irrelevant, it’s about the taint. In her in her art, and WotC’s desperate need to be secure from taint. And wanting firm data in what is or is not tainted is probably suspect.
Title: Are WOTC secretly a Klan front?
Post by: insubordinate polyhedral on June 20, 2020, 12:11:52 AM
Good grief, the cancel brigade took another swing at Nielsen? I guess the last one didn't stick but this one did. Fucking WotC.

Edit: I see, this is WotC finally getting around to admitting that they fired her over the last controversy. Here's some material from last time:

https://old.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/b8ma7e/terese_nielsens_letter_to_the_magic_community/
https://twitter.com/tnielsenart/status/1113126515816882176

Fucking WotC.
Title: Are WOTC secretly a Klan front?
Post by: Omega on June 20, 2020, 04:21:38 PM
Fucking WOTC marketing. Pretty much any stupid you see from WOTC can somehow be traced back to marketing. They are a cancer eating away at the company which was allready in trouble once they ousted the founders.
Title: Are WOTC secretly a Klan front?
Post by: insubordinate polyhedral on June 20, 2020, 04:37:52 PM
Quote from: Omega;1135359
Fucking WOTC marketing. Pretty much any stupid you see from WOTC can somehow be traced back to marketing. They are a cancer eating away at the company which was allready in trouble once they ousted the founders.

Don't know that I can blame marketing at this point. Plenty of true believers in the Magic core team, and D&D as well, obviously. It guts me to see Doug Beyer talking about this garbage, I really liked him. This is really like watching the freaking zombie apocalypse. People I thought well of turn around and suddenly start biting chunks out of people and staggering towards the next victim.
Title: Are WOTC secretly a Klan front?
Post by: TheSHEEEP on June 22, 2020, 09:52:21 AM
This really isn't surprising.
WoTC was going down this road very hard since years.

Anyone not fully in line with their most extreme views will get fired (or as was the case with freelancers like Nielsen, not hired again).

Thankfully, I stopped playing MtG a while ago - not because of their inane policies to exclude people for wrongthink, but simply because they bring out way too much product to follow.
It's just gotten way too expensive if you only play rarely.
Title: Are WOTC secretly a Klan front?
Post by: Ghostmaker on June 22, 2020, 12:17:27 PM
At this point, people need to understand that anything they do on Twitter -- even following or liking -- will be used against them as needed.
Title: Are WOTC secretly a Klan front?
Post by: Omega on June 22, 2020, 06:41:15 PM
Quote from: insubordinate polyhedral;1135363
Don't know that I can blame marketing at this point. Plenty of true believers in the Magic core team, and D&D as well, obviously.

 It guts me to see Doug Beyer talking about this garbage, I really liked him. This is really like watching the freaking zombie apocalypse. People I thought well of turn around and suddenly start biting chunks out of people and staggering towards the next victim.

1: Marketing pushes this stuff. Marketing pushes that diversity is the new big thing. Marketing brings in parasites like Quin and Sarkesian as "consultants". It seeps into the workforce and then spreads as they start target hiring more. It goes from This is a great idea. to Conform or be fired.

This is the same marketing thats pushed every other idiot idea like the damn "five year plan" and "fans are bad for business" "outrage marketing" and all the rest.

2: its more like we are living some sort of Call of Cthulhu module where cults are taking over at an alarming rate. Because they are.
Title: Are WOTC secretly a Klan front?
Post by: Ghostmaker on July 02, 2020, 03:16:54 PM
Quote from: Omega;1135719
1: Marketing pushes this stuff. Marketing pushes that diversity is the new big thing. Marketing brings in parasites like Quin and Sarkesian as "consultants". It seeps into the workforce and then spreads as they start target hiring more. It goes from This is a great idea. to Conform or be fired.

This is the same marketing thats pushed every other idiot idea like the damn "five year plan" and "fans are bad for business" "outrage marketing" and all the rest.

2: its more like we are living some sort of Call of Cthulhu module where cults are taking over at an alarming rate. Because they are.

I've been thinking about the 'fans are bad for business' meme, and wondering how the hell it became a thing. Because you WANT people who are going to buy your stuff/service.

The only thing I can think of is that it's a cancerous mutation of the understanding that while fan feedback is important, you never, NEVER just take it straight. Fans do not have access to all the information, and will ask for silly or stupid shit without realizing it IS silly or stupid. So when someone suggests, 'Hey, could we have a power that does X?', you say, 'Hey, interesting idea! Let me pass this on to the development team so they can bat it around a bit.'
Title: Re: Are WOTC secretly a Klan front?
Post by: consolcwby on September 30, 2020, 12:57:53 AM

I've been thinking about the 'fans are bad for business' meme, and wondering how the hell it became a thing. Because you WANT people who are going to buy your stuff/service.

Communism is about controlling the means of production and destroying capitalism worldwide. This is how you accomplish both. By becoming an insider and driving a corporation to commit suicide whilst peddling your propaganda, in order to create the dissent necessary within the target population that your side is right: Capitalism is evil. Remember: If said corp goes belly-up, then the creditors get the 'goods'. Creditors being dummy companies set-up by an elite which is creating all this. In other words - predatory crony capitalism through communism. At least, that's my theory!
 /consipi-raccy
Title: Re: Are WOTC secretly a Klan front?
Post by: Null42 on September 30, 2020, 09:52:34 AM
Weird thing is, since prejudice is usually considered 'bad', at least in 1994, the artist (who apparently is a literal Nazi, making pics of Hitler as Jesus) probably got one past the radar with that card--he got to make pictures of Klansmen on a mass-produced card, all the while looking like an edgy joke in tune with 1990s-era liberalism (since the prejudice can be directed at any color).
Title: Re: Are WOTC secretly a Klan front?
Post by: Machaeus on October 02, 2020, 01:16:29 PM
Oh geez, I remember seeing this nonsense.  It's amazing how the lefties will go after anything anymore.

"But it's everyone ELSE, the people to the right of Stalin, that's hateful!" they say as they try to burn half the goddamn planet to the ground.
"We're the NICE guys!" they say as they kick a bunch of people to the ground, then keep kicking.

(Also, newbie here, didn't see a thread for "Introduce yourself and say hi" so I just went and posted.  If there IS one, please let me know!)
Title: Re: Are WOTC secretly a Klan front?
Post by: consolcwby on October 02, 2020, 11:59:06 PM
Oh geez, I remember seeing this nonsense.  It's amazing how the lefties will go after anything anymore.

"But it's everyone ELSE, the people to the right of Stalin, that's hateful!" they say as they try to burn half the goddamn planet to the ground.
"We're the NICE guys!" they say as they kick a bunch of people to the ground, then keep kicking.

(Also, newbie here, didn't see a thread for "Introduce yourself and say hi" so I just went and posted.  If there IS one, please let me know!)

Vladimir Lenin stated: A lie told often enough eventually becomes the truth.
He also said: The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves.  (Hence what you see in 'cultural marxism')