that extended downtime sucked ass. i hadn't realized how much time i spend here.
that's all
Thank fuck for that. :)
Quote from: One Horse TownThank fuck for that. :)
yeah, i ended up lurking around rpg.net, looking for info and familiar faces. ick. did NOT have a good time.
next time something like this happens i'll just touch base with pundit's blog for info.
I saw you brown nosing over there! ;)
I didn't realise how much this place suited me until i couldn't view it any more. I spent half my time elsewhere biting my tongue. No need to here! :D
no shit. i tend to lurk more than post here. but over there my snark factor just kept rising, until i finally went "wtf?" and just left again.
I was surprised by the amount of disdain RPGnet has for this place. I mean, Holy Fuck!
I am also definitely glad that theRPGsite is back up.
Quote from: jeff37923I was surprised by the amount of disdain RPGnet has for this place. I mean, Holy Fuck!
I am also definitely glad that theRPGsite is back up.
Yeah. I don't get that either. Some kind of cult-think maybe ;)
Quote from: jeff37923I was surprised by the amount of disdain RPGnet has for this place. I mean, Holy Fuck!
I am also definitely glad that theRPGsite is back up.
I wasn't surprised by that.
- Ed C.
Quote from: KoltarI wasn't surprised by that.
- Ed C.
Sadly, I wasn't surprised either. :( Nina's sarcasm towards you was neither clever nor cute. Her attitude, and that of the other mods was unnecessarily snarky. Their "mission statement" makes a big deal about being "friendly and welcoming". The moderation displayed neither of those qualities. I'm disappointed. :( The mods were very quick to dogpile on you, Koltar. Come to think of it, a few of the posters were happily dogpiling you as well. I really think they were looking for an excuse to start some shit.
There really wasn't any snark from the posters in the thread for the first few pages, until the moderators started some minor shit, then subsequently hid the thread in Tangency, soon after locking it entirely. Darren (a mod) posted about the irony of not being able to respond to passive-aggressiveness, yet HE was being passive-aggressive. What the fuck is up with that shit?
I mean, you KNEW they'd send the thread to Tangency, Koltar. You weren't exactly diplomatic about saying it, but what you said didn't merit a dogpile (which you kinda received). It was a pretty blatant attempt on the rpgnet moderation's part to hide the thread, and if we dare suggest that's what they're doing, they will mock us, and then quickly lock the thread. There's no way in Hell a post about ENWorld would have been sent over to Tangency. But if you dare post about therpgsite....
The thread in question was about a site about ROLEPLAYING GAMES. Logic dictates it would be in the rpg section by default. No such luck.
I've come to the conclusion that the moderation on RPGnet feigns apathy about this website. But....
....they are VERY aware of this place, while officially PRETENDING it doesn't exist. What is it about this place that makes them so nervous? Because if they didn't care about this site, they wouldn't relocate and lock threads about this website so damn fast. I want to repeat:
They would never send an ENWorld post over to Tangency. NEVER.
So what's up with that? Can anyone tell me? :confused:
P.S. I wouldn't dare ask this on RPGnet. They'd probably derisively throttle me over this issue, so it's better to ask here. :(
Oh, and by the way.....yay! Therpgsite is back up! Heh. :D
In various places I got used to either being the underdog or the minority.
That changed about 10 to 15 years ago.
RPG.net is kind of like that for me at times. RPG.net just reminds me of people that never got out of High School mentally and hate it when you call them on it.
- Ed C.
Quote from: Sacrificial LambThey would never send an ENWorld post over to Tangency. NEVER.
nah, they'd bury it in that stupid d20 forum instead ;)
Funniest thing I've read all day:
QuoteOriginally Posted by Darren MacLennan View Post
The amazing irony is that I've worked long and hard creating an environment in which I'm not allowed to respond to childish taunts and passive-aggressive nonsense without violating the rules that I spent so much time setting up in the first place; kind of like a vampire working a long time to make sure that every place in his lair is flooded with sunlight.
Have things really changed to the point that he can't wave his cock around and sodomize posters just for giggles, or was he being hyperbolic? If its true, then I can't imagine he'll remain a mod for much longer - be more fun to find people to curb-stomp when the pubs let out.
Quote from: Sacrificial LambI've come to the conclusion that the moderation on RPGnet feigns apathy about this website. But....
....they are VERY aware of this place, while officially PRETENDING it doesn't exist. What is it about this place that makes them so nervous? Because if they didn't care about this site, they wouldn't relocate and lock threads about this website so damn fast. I want to repeat:
They would never send an ENWorld post over to Tangency. NEVER.
So what's up with that? Can anyone tell me? :confused:
P.S. I wouldn't dare ask this on RPGnet. They'd probably derisively throttle me over this issue, so it's better to ask here. :(
They are, as usual, scared shitless of anything I do. It makes me all warm inside.
The RPG.net modclique has been predicting a future of "failure" and "irrelevance" for me from the moment they decided to ban me from RPG.net. And every time they have, I've ended up frustrating them by becoming a bigger and bigger success.
My blog was bad enough, but when I took over this place you should have heard the screeching and caterwauling about how I would never get the place off the ground, or how I would quickly turn into a hypocritical authoritarian mod. Of course, neither of these things happened, in fact this site has succeeded even beyond my expectations, and its driving them up the fucking wall.
You see, the part that really scares them is the moderation policy here. Its already forced them to have to loosen up a great deal (way more than they would want) on moderation over at RPG.net (going from "ultra-fascist" to just "fascist" modes), because more and more people have noticed that over here, freedom of speech has functioned just fine. Its proven the lie to the claim the Mods at RPG.net have used to try to hold onto their power for all this time: the idea that somehow if they didn't have the power to ban anything that moves just because they feel like it, RPG.net would somehow fall into chaos.
Now they can't make that claim anymore, or at least it isn't nearly as credible as it used to be. Thanks to me.
RPGPundit
Quote from: jeff37923I was surprised by the amount of disdain RPGnet has for this place. I mean, Holy Fuck!
I am also definitely glad that theRPGsite is back up.
Heh. As opposed to the amount of disdain the RPGsite has for RPGnet? Wow...imagine that...:D
I'm also glad theRPGsite is back up. There are a few kick butt posters who make the roleplay section worth checking out.
As to RPG.net - Maybe if there were fewer threads hating on RPG.net and just more gaming discussion it wouldn't be a big deal for anyone?
I almost went to bat for that thread. I had an intelligent, friendly, edited post ready to go up to say "Hey, come on, some of us just want to know when the site's up." But I didn't post it. Why should the administration there do anything to help out folk who like this site? It gives them nothing but grief and frustration and, ultimately, I decided I couldn't fault anyone for closing it with a "we don't care." I wouldn't care about a site that spent all its time talking about what a dick I am either.
So, if you want RPG.net folk to care about theRPGsite and its well being (heh) then some sort of olive branch has to be extended. I don't think that's ever going to happen so I wouldn't look to RPG.net for status reports on theRPGsite in the future.
I think that's too bad, because if this place could ever gets over its hatred for other sites it could really soar.
Quote from: C.W.RichesonI wouldn't care about a site that spent all its time talking about what a dick I am either.
Exaggerating much? The occasional shit sling doesn't hurt too much.
As long as the good stuff doesn't outweigh the bad stuff. And it's been shown that there is a way greater percentage of on-topic content here than at RPG.net.
Quote from: Tyberious FunkExaggerating much? The occasional shit sling doesn't hurt too much.
As long as the good stuff doesn't outweigh the bad stuff. And it's been shown that there is a way greater percentage of on-topic content here than at RPG.net.
The way I see it is that "therpgsite" is to "rpg.net" as "Off Topic Discussion" is to "Role-Playing Games" -- a pressure valve; it's when people are fed up of rpg.net that they decide to show up here and let off some steam. Not that we don't have good conversations here, but that is why I attribute so much disdain for rpg.net here.
Quote from: WerekoalaFunniest thing I've read all day:
Have things really changed to the point that he can't wave his cock around and sodomize posters just for giggles, or was he being hyperbolic? If its true, then I can't imagine he'll remain a mod for much longer - be more fun to find people to curb-stomp when the pubs let out.
It's basically a lie. He still has no problems whatsoever waving his dick around, and generally being his King of Trolls self. Anyone remember the bit about how "D&D monsters have fundamentally damaged roleplaying?"
And besides, his whole little show in that thread is nothing more than the exact same passive aggressive shit he claims to be above, so really, pot, kettle, black, etc.
Quote from: J ArcaneAnd besides, his whole little show in that thread is nothing more than the exact same passive aggressive shit he claims to be above, so really, pot, kettle, black, etc.
That's the part that really got me - the whole "It's ironic that I've worked hard to make sure I can't do exactly what I'm doing right now!" was laughable.
That and somehow we're supposed to believe "not the word I would have used" wasn't meant to be a shot at Pundit? Veiled insults are fine because you can go back and deny you meant anything mean-spirited? I guarantee that if that comment had been made directed toward Darren, there would have been an insta-ban.
Quote from: WerekoalaFunniest thing I've read all day:
Have things really changed to the point that he can't wave his cock around and sodomize posters just for giggles, or was he being hyperbolic? If its true, then I can't imagine he'll remain a mod for much longer - be more fun to find people to curb-stomp when the pubs let out.
I'll say this....Darren started a little snark in the thread. Before he started posting, the thread was peaceful and productive. He might disagree with me, but he was passive-aggressively taking a shot at Pundit, even though Pundit was barely mentioned in the thread. And then Darren made his passive-aggressive comment about passive-aggressiveness. It made me wonder if the guy had even read his own words. :raise:
That thread overall wasn't a total flamefest or anything, but the mods (and a few of the posters) decided they were in the mood to dogpile Koltar. It was NOT an especially vicious dogpile, but they WERE unnecessarily giving him grief. And they wasted no time in locking the thread.
Someone there mentioned the large number of mods showing up, even though the thread was only a few pages long. Well, it's true. Maybe I'm projecting, but I really think the mods (and their cheerleaders) were eager for an Intenet "rumble" in order to provoke therpgsiters into fighting, so that they could declare some kind of moral "high ground" against therpgsite when the thread would be inevitably locked. This is ONLY my opinion, however, and I'll happily eat my words if I'm wrong. It's just that the whole thing gave me a bad vibe.
But you know what? I'm optimistic. I think someday RPGnet will eventually be forced to renounce this mental masturbation, and actually publically recognize this site. It won't happen overnight, but it will happen. Of course, it could instead be a Boston Red Sox/ New York Yankees type of rivalry that NEVER ends, but I guess time will tell. :)
Quote from: Tom BHeh. As opposed to the amount of disdain the RPGsite has for RPGnet? Wow...imagine that...:D
I'm gonna pick a nit here and reflect on who was doing the disdain in this incident. On this site, it is posters and only one mod - on RPGnet, it was all mod. That's a significant difference in my book.
I am glad that therpgsite is back up. While I enjoy reading discussions, I also enjoy participating in them. rpg.net has many I'd like to participate in but can't, and other sites like ENWorld or the harnforum have not so many I'd like to jump in on. HeroQuest's molad forums, and other places like Levi's gamecraft, have a few interesting discussions but a pretty low rate of new posts - a few minutes there will clear them out for you.
I'd thought that my forum discussions being knocked back would at least help my writing, but in fact I did less. I'm the kind of guy who gets more done in (say) eight hours with coffee and lunch breaks, than ten or twelve hours with no breaks.
So I'm glad to see therpgsite back up and humming along. It's a pity the rpg.netters view it negatively, and vice versa. rpg.net has many fine qualities, it's just that its moderators are largely not among those fine qualities. On both these sites, there's a bit too much Us vs Them. It reminds me embarassingly of rpg theory.
Well, at least the FORUM is back up.
Quote from: Sacrificial LambThe mods were very quick to dogpile on you, Koltar. Come to think of it, a few of the posters were happily dogpiling you as well. I really think they were looking for an excuse to start some shit.
Well, to be fair, Koltar rather ironically started a thread very similar in spirit here about RPG.net being down (http://www.therpgsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6729). Not that he called it RPG.net as much as 'Big Purple' or 'them'. For the win, he even went on to 'blame' Tangency despite posting his comments in theRPGsite's very own off topic forum.
You get what you give in this case.
Quote from: KoltarRPG.net just reminds me of people that never got out of High School mentally and hate it when you call them on it.
Oh yes, the Elementary School mentality of this board is far preferable :D
Quote from: RPGPunditThey are, as usual, scared shitless of anything I do. It makes me all warm inside.
I think they see you more as an irritating mosquito that they just can't seem to swat away :p
Quote from: RPGPunditThe RPG.net modclique has been predicting a future of "failure" and "irrelevance" for me from the moment they decided to ban me from RPG.net. And every time they have, I've ended up frustrating them by becoming a bigger and bigger success.
And they're so unwilling to learn about what makes theRPG site a success too. If only they had decided to give Darran his own forum where he could repost shit he wrote last year instead of that useless and demoralizing D20 forum, RPG.net would have more new users than it would know what to do with.
And lets face it, the success of this board is largely due to people who are pissed off or banned from all the other RPG sites, and by other I mean RPG.net, StoryGames, The Forge, ENWorld, and the like. And the loudest of them are the ones who are pissed off at specific individuals, and spend a great deal of energy lashing out.
Quote from: Sacrificial LambBefore he started posting, the thread was peaceful and productive.
You do realize that the post in question was an attempt to embarrass theRPGsite by providing a link to what the poster thought exposed theRPGsite's passwords, right?
Regardless, the mods should have immediately pulled that thread backstage, and they would have done so if it had been about any other site.
Wait... theRPGsite was down?
Quote from: jeff37923I'm gonna pick a nit here and reflect on who was doing the disdain in this incident. On this site, it is posters and only one mod - on RPGnet, it was all mod. That's a significant difference in my book.
Refresh my memory...how many mods does The RPGsite have?
Quote from: Tom BRefresh my memory...how many mods does The RPGsite have?
http://www.therpgsite.com/forums/showgroups.php
It should be noted however that some of the adminstration takes a very fuzzy view of what constitutes a mod. One minute someone is apparently consulting on a banning, and the next they're "just a tech admin" . . .
but the mod activity here is pretty minimal. no need for red-texting, or people running around going "reported!" and other bullshit. sure, there's been some drama. but it's still very hands-off, and i like it that way. :keke:
Quote from: chaosvoyagerWell, at least the FORUM is back up.
Well, to be fair, Koltar rather ironically started a thread very similar in spirit here about RPG.net being down (http://www.therpgsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6729). Not that he called it RPG.net as much as 'Big Purple' or 'them'. For the win, he even went on to 'blame' Tangency despite posting his comments in theRPGsite's very own off topic forum.
You get what you give in this case.
But Koltar didn't start shit on the thread. Darren did. Granted, Kolt made one slightly sarcastic statement about the thread being inevitably moved to Tangency, but he didn't dogpile anyone, or insult anyone, AND HIS STATEMENT WAS COMPLETELY TRUE. The thread WAS inevitably moved to Tangency.
Quote from: chaovoyagerAnd they're so unwilling to learn about what makes theRPG site a success too. If only they had decided to give Darran his own forum where he could repost shit he wrote last year instead of that useless and demoralizing D20 forum, RPG.net would have more new users than it would know what to do with.
And lets face it, the success of this board is largely due to people who are pissed off or banned from all the other RPG sites, and by other I mean RPG.net, StoryGames, The Forge, ENWorld, and the like. And the loudest of them are the ones who are pissed off at specific individuals, and spend a great deal of energy lashing out.
I'm not banned from any rpg websites, and I'm not aware of being on anybody's shitlist. Maybe I'm the exception here though; I don't know. :)
Quote from: chaosvoyagerYou do realize that the post in question was an attempt to embarrass theRPGsite by providing a link to what the poster thought exposed theRPGsite's passwords, right?
Regardless, the mods should have immediately pulled that thread backstage, and they would have done so if it had been about any other site.
Here you have a valid point. I'll admit the topic starter (mhensley) seriously fucked up, but I don't think he made a deliberate attempt to sabotage the safety of this site. He just made an error in judgement in attempting to warn therpgsiters that this site was vulnerable. And no harm was done anyway. No passwords were exposed. Everything was cool until the mods decided to start some shit. The thread was locked for reasons completely unrelated to this site's security (which wasn't compromised anyway). Gizmit locked it because he foresaw an inevitable flame war, nevermind that any flaming was initiated by Darren (a mod), and perpetuated by himself, Nina, and some of their cheerleaders. I honestly don't see why Darren bothered to comment anyway. He added NOTHING useful to the discussion. Then Nina (a mod) was pretty brazenly mocking Kolt, because of his comment about them moving the thread to Tangency to hide it from onlookers (which they did). They can use snark to deny it, but they did it. Jon A (where are all these mods coming from?) was not snarky, but his statement about RPGnet "not being a service information site" for sites that have nothing to do with them rings completely hollow. I mean, I can see they've never sent Exalted threads, or ENWorld threads, or RPGNow threads, or whatever to TANGENCY.
They would never do that. :talktothehand:
On the thread, three out of four mods were being sarcastic (Darren, Nina, and Gizmit), and the fourth (Jon A) made a rather disingenuous statement, considering how they treat OTHER rpg sites.
So how are we supposed to interpret this? :confused:
I agree with you about one thing though, voyager. The threadmove to Tangency was political. You were counting the number of mods that appeared within only five pages...:D ....and well, I don't know. They might not have liked you pointing that out. :D
I'm not worried about being banned there, because Im always mellow over there. I hope my words here do not piss them off, because I don't hate them at all, but RPGnet moderation needs to understand something very important. When you mod on a self-proclaimed "friendly and welcoming" website, said moderators should avoid sarcasm and passive-aggressiveness. Darren started shit, and it went downhill from there. Whether or not Pundit deserves to be flamed is irrelevant. Sometimes he deserves it; sometimes he doesn't, but who cares? Pundit wasn't even in the thread. Darren just couldn't resist taking his ever-so-subtle, passive-aggressive shot at Pundit, thus setting things off.
The fucked-up thing though is that the thread didn't completely flame-out. I've seen flames, and this was MILD. I'm just unhappy about the thread being moved inappropriately, and then locked. Otherwise, I wouldn't care. In any case, it probably doesn't matter in the long run. This site will grow on them eventually, so I guess I shouldn't be too concerned. :)
Quote from: Sacrificial LambWhether or not Pundit deserves to be flamed is irrelevant. Sometimes he deserves it; sometimes he doesn't, but who cares? Pundit wasn't even in the thread.
Actually, that whole "we are not a public service announcement board for other sites" thing near the end of the thread sounded very much like a response to the entries on Pundit's blog, which after all were just about the only way for him to comment on what was going on. It's not as though he
could post directly to the thread, at least not without getting the sockpuppet account banned.
Quote from: Tom BRefresh my memory...how many mods does The RPGsite have?
None, really. The entire staff, such as it is, are all admin level. Pundit and I are listed as mods in a few places, because the structure of the board software made it useful to make us both from a technical standpoint. The size and relatively drama-free nature of the board as it is currently just does not justify the existence of a separate group of mods.
Also, Sacrificial Lamb isn't the only user here who wasn't banished from another board. It's just that the RPGnet exiles are rather vocal at times.
Quote from: Kyle AaronSo I'm glad to see therpgsite back up and humming along. It's a pity the rpg.netters view it negatively, and vice versa. rpg.net has many fine qualities, it's just that its moderators are largely not among those fine qualities. On both these sites, there's a bit too much Us vs Them. It reminds me embarassingly of rpg theory.
Too right.
It'd be nice if we could concentrate on the positives of what we have, and sort of go from there. I do think some use this site as sort of a steam vent, and I can kind of understand that. But it seems to ruin some perfectly good threads at times, which is a pity.
I just loved the irony, until the next day lightning took out my network card.
Fucking karma.
Quote from: Sacrificial LambI'm not banned from any rpg websites, and I'm not aware of being on anybody's shitlist. Maybe I'm the exception here though; I don't know. :)
To be honest I can't say this for a fact, but you sure
seem to be.
Quote from: Sacrificial LambYou were counting the number of mods that appeared within only five pages...:D ....and well, I don't know. They might not have liked you pointing that out. :D
Well, technically it was within TWO pages, but that's not important ;)
And this may be a little too deep for an internet post, but I learned that if you always strive to be liked, you will never be loved.
Then again, you shouldn't strive to be hated either. There's a balance that to be honest I'm still trying to figure out myself.
Quote from: Sacrificial LambI'm not banned from any rpg websites, and I'm not aware of being on anybody's shitlist. Maybe I'm the exception here though; I don't know. :)
I've never been banned anywhere. And I've tried in a few places :D
Try criticising the moderation, that usually does it.
Quote from: shewolfI've never been banned anywhere. And I've tried in a few places :D
Me too. I've been a registered user at RPGnet for 2 years now and have never had any problems, not even a warning.
It's not too difficult to follow the rules, even on the strictest of sites. Where people tend to fall afoul of the system is in thinking they can circumvent it with continual passive aggressive sniping. All it really achieves is to bring you to the attention of the mods, who are infamous for their inconsistency when dealing with that shit. When the hammer inevitably falls the injured party will quite rightly complain about how they didn't break the letter of the law, seemingly oblivious to the fact
that's not how RPGnet works.
Quote from: shewolfI've never been banned anywhere. And I've tried in a few places :D
Ditto. Over a dozen forums, although only a few extensively, and never so much as a warning. A regular on RPGnet ever since it's original incarnation way back when.
Quote from: DrewIt's not too difficult to follow the rules, even on the strictest of sites. Where people tend to fall afoul of the system is in thinking they can circumvent it with continual passive aggressive sniping. All it really achieves is to bring you to the attention of the mods, who are infamous for their inconsistency when dealing with that shit. When the hammer inevitably falls the injured party will quite rightly complain about how they didn't break the letter of the law, seemingly oblivious to the fact that's not how RPGnet works.
Not that I disagree with your analysis, but for me personally the flaw in the system is the fact that passive-agressive BS is the only way some posters can express what are, to me, perfectly legit feelings. By my lights allowing comments like "Jeff, quick being a dick in this thread" would be a better solution than stifling such remarks, only to see them reappear as rules-lawyerish sniping.
But it's easy for me to hold an opinion like that when I'm not modding the crazy zoo that is Tangency.
Quote from: jrients"Jeff, quick being a dick in this thread".
How do I quick being a dick? :D
(Its late for me and I do like this site for the very reason that it feels more like I'm in my favorite bar, where someone can call me an asshole and I don't take it too personally.)
Quote from: jrientsNot that I disagree with your analysis, but for me personally the flaw in the system is the fact that passive-agressive BS is the only way some posters can express what are, to me, perfectly legit feelings. By my lights allowing comments like "Jeff, quick being a dick in this thread" would be a better solution than stifling such remarks, only to see them reappear as rules-lawyerish sniping.
I agree entirely. Passive aggression has slowly become the
lingua franca of conflict resoloution over there. It's a direct response to the sometimes draconian moderation regarding personal and group attacks. I think the critical mistake the admins made was in believing that a cessation of direct insults would somehow convince everyone to play nice. All it really did was drive the conflict underground, resulting in those with a better grasp of the sites workings to dance around the rules with impunity whilst others got modhammered.
It's weird. There have been plenty of intelligent, qualified people policing the forums over the years, one would have expected at least some of them to realise that prohibition rarely works.
QuoteBut it's easy for me to hold an opinion like that when I'm not modding the crazy zoo that is Tangency.
I rarely post there. Talking about politics, health or my personal life to an anonymous online audience holds very little interest. I have friends for that.
Quote from: shewolfI've never been banned anywhere. And I've tried in a few places :D
You're not trying hard enough. Last I checked I was the only person ever permabanned from DSF. Not even Doc Funky managed that. They won't even let me activate my back up accounts.