I'm also glad theRPGsite is back up.  There are a few kick butt posters who make the roleplay section worth checking out.

As to RPG.net - Maybe if there were fewer threads hating on RPG.net and just more gaming discussion it wouldn't be a big deal for anyone?

I almost went to bat for that thread.  I had an intelligent, friendly, edited post ready to go up to say "Hey, come on, some of us just want to know when the site's up."  But I didn't post it.  Why should the administration there do anything to help out folk who like this site?  It gives them nothing but grief and frustration and, ultimately, I decided I couldn't fault anyone for closing it with a "we don't care."  I wouldn't care about a site that spent all its time talking about what a dick I am either.

So, if you want RPG.net folk to care about theRPGsite and its well being (heh) then some sort of olive branch has to be extended.  I don't think that's ever going to happen so I wouldn't look to RPG.net for status reports on theRPGsite in the future.

I think that's too bad, because if this place could ever gets over its hatred for other sites it could really soar.

Quote from: C.W.RichesonI wouldn't care about a site that spent all its time talking about what a dick I am either.

Exaggerating much?  The occasional shit sling doesn't hurt too much.
As long as the good stuff doesn't outweigh the bad stuff.  And it's been shown that there is a way greater percentage of on-topic content here than at RPG.net.

Quote from: Tyberious FunkExaggerating much?  The occasional shit sling doesn't hurt too much.
As long as the good stuff doesn't outweigh the bad stuff.  And it's been shown that there is a way greater percentage of on-topic content here than at RPG.net.

The way I see it is that "therpgsite" is to "rpg.net" as "Off Topic Discussion" is to "Role-Playing Games" -- a pressure valve; it's when people are fed up of rpg.net that they decide to show up here and let off some steam. Not that we don't have good conversations here, but that is why I attribute so much disdain for rpg.net here.

Quote from: WerekoalaFunniest thing I've read all day:



Have things really changed to the point that he can't wave his cock around and sodomize posters just for giggles, or was he being hyperbolic? If its true, then I can't imagine he'll remain a mod for much longer - be more fun to find people to curb-stomp when the pubs let out.

It's basically a lie.  He still has no problems whatsoever waving his dick around, and generally being his King of Trolls self.  Anyone remember the bit about how "D&D monsters have fundamentally damaged roleplaying?"  

And besides, his whole little show in that thread is nothing more than the exact same passive aggressive shit he claims to be above, so really, pot, kettle, black, etc.

Quote from: J ArcaneAnd besides, his whole little show in that thread is nothing more than the exact same passive aggressive shit he claims to be above, so really, pot, kettle, black, etc.

That's the part that really got me - the whole "It's ironic that I've worked hard to make sure I can't do exactly what I'm doing right now!" was laughable.

That and somehow we're supposed to believe "not the word I would have used" wasn't meant to be a shot at Pundit? Veiled insults are fine because you can go back and deny you meant anything mean-spirited? I guarantee that if that comment had been made directed toward Darren, there would have been an insta-ban.

Quote from: WerekoalaFunniest thing I've read all day:



Have things really changed to the point that he can't wave his cock around and sodomize posters just for giggles, or was he being hyperbolic? If its true, then I can't imagine he'll remain a mod for much longer - be more fun to find people to curb-stomp when the pubs let out.

I'll say this....Darren started a little snark in the thread. Before he started posting, the thread was peaceful and productive. He might disagree with me, but he was passive-aggressively taking a shot at Pundit, even though Pundit was barely mentioned in the thread. And then Darren made his passive-aggressive comment about passive-aggressiveness. It made me wonder if the guy had even read his own words. :raise:

That thread overall wasn't a total flamefest or anything, but the mods (and a few of the posters) decided they were in the mood to dogpile Koltar. It was NOT an especially vicious dogpile, but they WERE unnecessarily giving him grief. And they wasted no time in locking the thread.

Someone there mentioned the large number of mods showing up, even though the thread was only a few pages long. Well, it's true. Maybe I'm projecting, but I really think the mods (and their cheerleaders) were eager for an Intenet "rumble" in order to provoke therpgsiters into fighting, so that they could declare some kind of moral "high ground" against therpgsite when the thread would be inevitably locked. This is ONLY my opinion, however, and I'll happily eat my words if I'm wrong. It's just that the whole thing gave me a bad vibe.

But you know what? I'm optimistic. I think someday RPGnet will eventually be forced to renounce this mental masturbation, and actually publically recognize this site. It won't happen overnight, but it will happen. Of course, it could instead be a Boston Red Sox/ New York Yankees type of rivalry that NEVER ends, but I guess time will tell.

Quote from: Tom BHeh.  As opposed to the amount of disdain the RPGsite has for RPGnet?  Wow...imagine that...

I'm gonna pick a nit here and reflect on who was doing the disdain in this incident. On this site, it is posters and only one mod - on RPGnet, it was all mod. That's a significant difference in my book.

I am glad that therpgsite is back up. While I enjoy reading discussions, I also enjoy participating in them. rpg.net has many I'd like to participate in but can't, and other sites like ENWorld or the harnforum have not so many I'd like to jump in on. HeroQuest's molad forums, and other places like Levi's gamecraft, have a few interesting discussions but a pretty low rate of new posts - a few minutes there will clear them out for you.

I'd thought that my forum discussions being knocked back would at least help my writing, but in fact I did less. I'm the kind of guy who gets more done in (say) eight hours with coffee and lunch breaks, than ten or twelve hours with no breaks.

So I'm glad to see therpgsite back up and humming along. It's a pity the rpg.netters view it negatively, and vice versa. rpg.net has many fine qualities, it's just that its moderators are largely not among those fine qualities. On both these sites, there's a bit too much Us vs Them. It reminds me embarassingly of rpg theory.

Well, at least the FORUM is back up.

Quote from: Sacrificial LambThe mods were very quick to dogpile on you, Koltar. Come to think of it, a few of the posters were happily dogpiling you as well. I really think they were looking for an excuse to start some shit.

Well, to be fair, Koltar rather ironically started a thread very similar in spirit here about RPG.net being down. Not that he called it RPG.net as much as 'Big Purple' or 'them'. For the win, he even went on to 'blame' Tangency despite posting his comments in theRPGsite's very own off topic forum.

You get what you give in this case.

Quote from: KoltarRPG.net just reminds me of people that never got out of High School mentally and hate it when you call them on it.

Oh yes, the Elementary School mentality of this board is far preferable

Quote from: RPGPunditThey are, as usual, scared shitless of anything I do. It makes me all warm inside.

I think they see you more as an irritating mosquito that they just can't seem to swat away

Quote from: RPGPunditThe RPG.net modclique has been predicting a future of "failure" and "irrelevance" for me from the moment they decided to ban me from RPG.net. And every time they have, I've ended up frustrating them by becoming a bigger and bigger success.

And they're so unwilling to learn about what makes theRPG site a success too. If only they had decided to give Darran his own forum where he could repost shit he wrote last year instead of that useless and demoralizing D20 forum, RPG.net would have more new users than it would know what to do with.

And lets face it, the success of this board is largely due to people who are pissed off or banned from all the other RPG sites, and by other I mean RPG.net, StoryGames, The Forge, ENWorld, and the like. And the loudest of them are the ones who are pissed off at specific individuals, and spend a great deal of energy lashing out.

Quote from: Sacrificial LambBefore he started posting, the thread was peaceful and productive.

You do realize that the post in question was an attempt to embarrass theRPGsite by providing a link to what the poster thought exposed theRPGsite's passwords, right?

Regardless, the mods should have immediately pulled that thread backstage, and they would have done so if it had been about any other site.

Wait... theRPGsite was down?

Quote from: jeff37923I'm gonna pick a nit here and reflect on who was doing the disdain in this incident. On this site, it is posters and only one mod - on RPGnet, it was all mod. That's a significant difference in my book.

Refresh my memory...how many mods does The RPGsite have?

Quote from: Tom BRefresh my memory...how many mods does The RPGsite have?

http://www.therpgsite.com/forums/showgroups.php

It should be noted however that some of the adminstration takes a very fuzzy view of what constitutes a mod.  One minute someone is apparently consulting on a banning, and the next they're "just a tech admin" . . .

but the mod activity here is pretty minimal.  no need for red-texting, or people running around going "reported!" and other bullshit.  sure, there's been some drama.  but it's still very hands-off, and i like it that way.  :keke:

Quote from: chaosvoyagerWell, at least the FORUM is back up.



Well, to be fair, Koltar rather ironically started a thread very similar in spirit here about RPG.net being down. Not that he called it RPG.net as much as 'Big Purple' or 'them'. For the win, he even went on to 'blame' Tangency despite posting his comments in theRPGsite's very own off topic forum.

You get what you give in this case.

But Koltar didn't start shit on the thread. Darren did. Granted, Kolt made one slightly sarcastic statement about the thread being inevitably moved to Tangency, but he didn't dogpile anyone, or insult anyone, AND HIS STATEMENT WAS COMPLETELY TRUE. The thread WAS inevitably moved to Tangency.

Quote from: chaovoyagerAnd they're so unwilling to learn about what makes theRPG site a success too. If only they had decided to give Darran his own forum where he could repost shit he wrote last year instead of that useless and demoralizing D20 forum, RPG.net would have more new users than it would know what to do with.

And lets face it, the success of this board is largely due to people who are pissed off or banned from all the other RPG sites, and by other I mean RPG.net, StoryGames, The Forge, ENWorld, and the like. And the loudest of them are the ones who are pissed off at specific individuals, and spend a great deal of energy lashing out.

I'm not banned from any rpg websites, and I'm not aware of being on anybody's shitlist. Maybe I'm the exception here though; I don't know.

Quote from: chaosvoyagerYou do realize that the post in question was an attempt to embarrass theRPGsite by providing a link to what the poster thought exposed theRPGsite's passwords, right?

Regardless, the mods should have immediately pulled that thread backstage, and they would have done so if it had been about any other site.

Here you have a valid point. I'll admit the topic starter (mhensley) seriously fucked up, but I don't think he made a deliberate attempt to sabotage the safety of this site. He just made an error in judgement in attempting to warn therpgsiters that this site was vulnerable. And no harm was done anyway. No passwords were exposed. Everything was cool until the mods decided to start some shit. The thread was locked for reasons completely unrelated to this site's security (which wasn't compromised anyway). Gizmit locked it because he foresaw an inevitable flame war, nevermind that any flaming was initiated by Darren (a mod), and perpetuated by himself, Nina, and some of their cheerleaders. I honestly don't see why Darren bothered to comment anyway. He added NOTHING useful to the discussion. Then Nina (a mod) was pretty brazenly mocking Kolt, because of his comment about them moving the thread to Tangency to hide it from onlookers (which they did). They can use snark to deny it, but they did it. Jon A (where are all these mods coming from?) was not snarky, but his statement about RPGnet "not being a service information site" for sites that have nothing to do with them rings completely hollow. I mean, I can see they've never sent Exalted threads, or ENWorld threads, or RPGNow threads, or whatever to TANGENCY.

They would never do that. :talktothehand:

On the thread, three out of four mods were being sarcastic (Darren, Nina, and Gizmit), and the fourth (Jon A) made a rather disingenuous statement, considering how they treat OTHER rpg sites.

So how are we supposed to interpret this? :confused:

I agree with you about one thing though, voyager. The threadmove to Tangency was political. You were counting the number of mods that appeared within only five pages... ....and well, I don't know. They might not have liked you pointing that out.

I'm not worried about being banned there, because Im always mellow over there. I hope my words here do not piss them off, because I don't hate them at all, but RPGnet moderation needs to understand something very important. When you mod on a self-proclaimed "friendly and welcoming" website, said moderators should avoid sarcasm and passive-aggressiveness. Darren started shit, and it went downhill from there. Whether or not Pundit deserves to be flamed is irrelevant. Sometimes he deserves it; sometimes he doesn't, but who cares? Pundit wasn't even in the thread. Darren just couldn't resist taking his ever-so-subtle, passive-aggressive shot at Pundit, thus setting things off.

The fucked-up thing though is that the thread didn't completely flame-out. I've seen flames, and this was MILD. I'm just unhappy about the thread being moved inappropriately, and then locked. Otherwise, I wouldn't care. In any case, it probably doesn't matter in the long run. This site will grow on them eventually, so I guess I shouldn't be too concerned.

Quote from: Sacrificial LambWhether or not Pundit deserves to be flamed is irrelevant. Sometimes he deserves it; sometimes he doesn't, but who cares? Pundit wasn't even in the thread.

Actually, that whole "we are not a public service announcement board for other sites" thing near the end of the thread sounded very much like a response to the entries on Pundit's blog, which after all were just about the only way for him to comment on what was going on. It's not as though he could post directly to the thread, at least not without getting the sockpuppet account banned.