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Author Topic: Y The Last Man, INTERNET OUTRAGE IS MANDATORY!  (Read 3020 times)

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Re: Y The Last Man, INTERNET OUTRAGE IS MANDATORY!
« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2021, 03:42:49 AM »
... civilization would fall apart so quickly in two months tops it would make "Damnation Alley" look like "The Sound of Music."

This is an epic-stupid take on women. You poor incel. Can you show us on the doll where the woman hurt you? Poor thing.

The show is not terrible however...

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The "last man" finds his mom (the president) and he turns out to be a GIANT TWAT WAFFLE that will likely ruin the show for me... Also, the depiction of the Republican women is a terrible caricature. They could have capitalized on the response to 9/11 and modeled everyone's behavior to be a little more patriotic/helpful vs. OHMERGAHD let's divide ourselves into Blue and Red teams. Politics has officially ruined everything.

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Re: Y The Last Man, INTERNET OUTRAGE IS MANDATORY!
« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2021, 09:30:08 AM »
... civilization would fall apart so quickly in two months tops it would make "Damnation Alley" look like "The Sound of Music."

This is an epic-stupid take on women. You poor incel. Can you show us on the doll where the woman hurt you? Poor thing.

The show is not terrible however...

SPOILER ALERT....
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The "last man" finds his mom (the president) and he turns out to be a GIANT TWAT WAFFLE that will likely ruin the show for me... Also, the depiction of the Republican women is a terrible caricature. They could have capitalized on the response to 9/11 and modeled everyone's behavior to be a little more patriotic/helpful vs. OHMERGAHD let's divide ourselves into Blue and Red teams. Politics has officially ruined everything.


  Well....there are A LOT of jobs women have zero training or experience doing, and little to no interest in doing.  Lots of those jobs are dirty, dangerous, and take some level of experience to get done in any efficient way.  The good news is with half the population gone there will be less demand for resources, but even keeping power plants running is not something that happens by magic.

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« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2021, 02:44:03 PM »
  Well....there are A LOT of jobs women have zero training or experience doing, and little to no interest in doing.  ...

Kind of like during WWII?

Women step up. There are more woman in these imaginary "men-centric" jobs than you likely know. Sure, after WWII in our puritanical Judeo-Christian patriarchy where misogynists like yourself made all the rules - this may have been truer. But in 2021? I'm not buying it. Is the gender ratio in certain fields skewed one way or another? Sure. But that could be shored up with training programs run by the women already in those fields.

The only thing women need to maintain society would be an significant supply of sperm. With IVF, they could take one sample and impregnate hundreds (with a little genetic hacking of course). In this scenario they need to find a vaccine for the Y Killer Virus first, then repopulate and let the next generation of people carry forward.

If the past is any indication, these women would work together to save the species (and the planet). Things wouldn't be irrevocably ruined because men exited the scene for a generation. If something this catastrophic happens I'm confident people would act differently than what is depicted in this show.
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« Reply #18 on: September 16, 2021, 03:26:58 PM »
  Well....there are A LOT of jobs women have zero training or experience doing, and little to no interest in doing.  ...

Kind of like during WWII?

Women step up. There are more woman in these imaginary "men-centric" jobs than you likely know. Sure, after WWII in our puritanical Judeo-Christian patriarchy where misogynists like yourself made all the rules - this may have been truer. But in 2021? I'm not buying it. Is the gender ratio in certain fields skewed one way or another? Sure. But that could be shored up with training programs run by the women already in those fields.

The only thing women need to maintain society would be an significant supply of sperm. With IVF, they could take one sample and impregnate hundreds (with a little genetic hacking of course). In this scenario they need to find a vaccine for the Y Killer Virus first, then repopulate and let the next generation of people carry forward.

If the past is any indication, these women would work together to save the species (and the planet). Things wouldn't be irrevocably ruined because men exited the scene for a generation. If something this catastrophic happens I'm confident people would act differently than what is depicted in this show.
Learn to Code, amirite? Converting half the workforce will take years, probably a generation. I had no doubt that many women will try to step up, but WW2 isn't the shining example you think it is. Repurposing production lines and adding some more laborers can happen quickly, but losing much of your upper management and highly skilled workers in very specialized industries (like nuclear power) is something else entirely. Major collapse is nearly inevitable in that situation. Not to mention morale. In WW2, the people were rah-rah patriotic and fired up. In Y, the new president is hiding in a bunker, and and made one of the most dispiriting speeches I've seen on television. (Seriously, that speech was terrible.)

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« Reply #19 on: September 16, 2021, 05:23:43 PM »
  Well....there are A LOT of jobs women have zero training or experience doing, and little to no interest in doing.  ...

Kind of like during WWII?

Women step up. There are more woman in these imaginary "men-centric" jobs than you likely know. Sure, after WWII in our puritanical Judeo-Christian patriarchy where misogynists like yourself made all the rules - this may have been truer. But in 2021? I'm not buying it. Is the gender ratio in certain fields skewed one way or another? Sure. But that could be shored up with training programs run by the women already in those fields.

  Opening up with name calling is pretty shit behavior,  I suppose I may have expected more.

The only thing women need to maintain society would be an significant supply of sperm. With IVF, they could take one sample and impregnate hundreds (with a little genetic hacking of course). In this scenario they need to find a vaccine for the Y Killer Virus first, then repopulate and let the next generation of people carry forward.

If the past is any indication, these women would work together to save the species (and the planet). Things wouldn't be irrevocably ruined because men exited the scene for a generation. If something this catastrophic happens I'm confident people would act differently than what is depicted in this show.

  You are calling me a misogynist because I am just telling you the truth?   I didnt say they couldnt eventually fix the gap, but you are out of your mind if you dont think there is going to be degradation to infrastructure big time in the short (5-10 years) term.   In WW2 there were still A LOT of men still in the workforce, and it is great that housewives signed on to make bombs in a factory line, but that is not the same as operating a nuclear power plant or fixing lines and lines of code, or being out in the sun all day farming or digging a ditch.

  I also feel I have overestimated your ability to discuss something with a critical thought process if your argument involves calling people names.  Or maybe I just overestimated your basic manners?
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Re: Y The Last Man, INTERNET OUTRAGE IS MANDATORY!
« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2021, 09:42:19 PM »

  You are calling me a misogynist because I am just telling you the truth? ...

  I also feel I have overestimated your ability to discuss something with a critical thought process if your argument involves calling people names.  Or maybe I just overestimated your basic manners?

I called you a misogynist because of the statement I quoted. Sure, there is going to be a work-shortage because there are less women in these fields (anyone can just look up the average % of women in any industry...). The interest part of your statement reeks of male privilege. They don't take on these jobs because they don't want them, they are often discouraged by the boys club that controls them. Chat with one of these women working in the boys club and ask them what obstacles they had to overcome to join.

If you wanted this to be a critical thought process with basic manners perhaps you would have framed your point with better (aka less sexist) language?
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« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2021, 10:14:29 PM »

  You are calling me a misogynist because I am just telling you the truth? ...

  I also feel I have overestimated your ability to discuss something with a critical thought process if your argument involves calling people names.  Or maybe I just overestimated your basic manners?

I called you a misogynist because of the statement I quoted. Sure, there is going to be a work-shortage because there are less women in these fields (anyone can just look up the average % of women in any industry...). The interest part of your statement reeks of male privilege. They don't take on these jobs because they don't want them, they are often discouraged by the boys club that controls them. Chat with one of these women working in the boys club and ask them what obstacles they had to overcome to join.

If you wanted this to be a critical thought process with basic manners perhaps you would have framed your point with better (aka less sexist) language?

  Your dumbass has obviously never spent ANY Time on a construction site, and maybe not too much around women, if you think their lack of enthusiasm to be on that site has to do with obstacles placed there by the boys club.  Lots of the jobs I mention, fucking suck.  Had your soft ass ever done any actual work growing up, or at any point in your life, you would understand that maybe. 

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« Reply #22 on: September 17, 2021, 12:53:22 AM »
... Had your soft ass ever done any actual work growing up, or at any point in your life, you would understand that maybe.

I see. You're the MANLY man here and I'm just soft.  :-*  :o

Your anecdotal evidence of your construction experience doesn't prove that women are not enthusiastic about working in various industry boys' clubs. Whether a job sucks in your opinion, is not evidence that women also think it sucks. Your previous statement was boldly offered "as the truth" but you have no truth here. Just your HEAVILY BIASED OPINION that blah blah blah women don't want to work my job blah blah blah. Great.

Doubling down with "I'm a manly man who sweats all day and there's no way a woman wants to do this" is like the hallmark excerpt in the misogyny 101 handbook. I could imagine it being splayed across the eye-catching poster on the back cover...

Civilization is not being held up by a penis anymore than it is being squashed by a vagina.
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« Reply #23 on: September 17, 2021, 06:44:34 AM »
... Had your soft ass ever done any actual work growing up, or at any point in your life, you would understand that maybe.

I see. You're the MANLY man here and I'm just soft.  :-*  :o

Your anecdotal evidence of your construction experience doesn't prove that women are not enthusiastic about working in various industry boys' clubs. Whether a job sucks in your opinion, is not evidence that women also think it sucks. Your previous statement was boldly offered "as the truth" but you have no truth here. Just your HEAVILY BIASED OPINION that blah blah blah women don't want to work my job blah blah blah. Great.

Doubling down with "I'm a manly man who sweats all day and there's no way a woman wants to do this" is like the hallmark excerpt in the misogyny 101 handbook. I could imagine it being splayed across the eye-catching poster on the back cover...

Civilization is not being held up by a penis anymore than it is being squashed by a vagina.

I don't see any evidence presented by you for your highly biased view, either.  Here's something to chew on: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0956797617741719?journalCode=pssa

Despite the best efforts of opponents to tear it down, this study still holds up (they even changed their methodology to that proposed by their critics, and got the same result).  I look forward to your evidence.

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« Reply #24 on: September 18, 2021, 05:14:09 PM »
... I look forward to your evidence.

LOL. Based on your example, I should share some random internet website study that helps make YOUR point?

Yes. There are considerably less women in STEM than men. That's doesn't mean there are NO women in STEM. Also, oggmash was suggesting that since his manly manliness was in construction and there's no women on his crew, that there are MUST be no women in construction. If I use the same quality of evidence as you two, I might was well not waste my time.

I get that the misogynists in the room believe the world revolves around men. Duh. I'm still not CONVINCED you're remotely correct.
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« Reply #25 on: September 18, 2021, 06:28:22 PM »
This is an epic-stupid take on women. You poor incel. Can you show us on the doll where the woman hurt you? Poor thing.
WWII only had a small percentage of society-uncritical men signing up for short tours of duty.

Ignoring gender, If 50% of all power plant workers died tomorrow (and just power plant workers) we would have a catastrophy that would kill hundreds of millions if not billions.
Man or woman, a sudden labour shortage drop would have cascading ramifications in our society.
The time and effort required to train a crew to replace those people (while the power is out and all the hospitals are overloaded), just losses in the millions would be considered miraculous. And thats just the power.

Thats assuming that men and women have an equal workload. Which they don't. And this is just the power.

Now apply it to every aspect of life (Food delivery, sanitation, plumbing, construction and road work). Even assuming a 50% gender balance in each of those fields the results would be apocalyptic. Society wouldn't be 'like before but with the women in charge'.
It would be maybe tens of thousands of women (survivors) hudling around campires in ruined cities.

Your so busy calling people names and kissing metaphorical woman ass (as if they where somekind of superhuman, and not normal people), your ignoring basic psychology and system engineering.

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« Reply #26 on: September 18, 2021, 11:25:43 PM »
... I look forward to your evidence.

LOL. Based on your example, I should share some random internet website study that helps make YOUR point?

Yes. There are considerably less women in STEM than men. That's doesn't mean there are NO women in STEM. Also, oggmash was suggesting that since his manly manliness was in construction and there's no women on his crew, that there are MUST be no women in construction. If I use the same quality of evidence as you two, I might was well not waste my time.

I get that the misogynists in the room believe the world revolves around men. Duh. I'm still not CONVINCED you're remotely correct.
You're trolling, right?  Because nobody can be as stupid as you appear to be.  The assertion (of yours) was that the other poster's anecdote didn't provide any evidence that women didn't want to work in his field.  So I provided a published, peer-reviewed study that found exactly that.  What evidence would you consider sufficient to refute your point?  Because, if that answer is "none," then you aren't presenting a cogent point; you are asserting a religious belief.  And female Jesus isn't gonna suck your incel dick, no matter how much you believe stuff contrary to reality.

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« Reply #27 on: September 19, 2021, 01:02:45 AM »
... I look forward to your evidence.

LOL. Based on your example, I should share some random internet website study that helps make YOUR point?

Yes. There are considerably less women in STEM than men. That's doesn't mean there are NO women in STEM. Also, oggmash was suggesting that since his manly manliness was in construction and there's no women on his crew, that there are MUST be no women in construction. If I use the same quality of evidence as you two, I might was well not waste my time.

I get that the misogynists in the room believe the world revolves around men. Duh. I'm still not CONVINCED you're remotely correct.


I really wish you'd stop using the word misogynist like a punctuation mark. You may not like the scientifically documented fact that we are a sexually dimorphic species, but that doesn't change science. Men have 2000% more testosterone than women. We are on average 40% stronger. I'd provide links to document both, but you've made it clear that to you evidence is "some random internet study", so I'm not sure the point. The World Weightlifting Foundation is my source.

The nordic countries have the greatest economic mobility and flexibility of any in the world. The vast, vast majority of teachers and nurses are women. The vast, vast majority of sanitation and construction workers are men. That's politically inconvenient, but many of us have worked in construction, or sanitation.

You know how many women I saw in facilities across a 30 year career? Zero. Not one. Ever. Are you telling me the janitor's club, those evil men, are gatekeeping women? No.

It's a dirty disgusting profession with low social status, and it has to do with systems and things. In general, men have more of an affinity for systems and things. Woman have more of an affinity for people. I mean across billions of us. That doesn't mean that my wife can't take me to school about programming despite both of us being senior software engineers. She's better than I am, and I can admit it with no ego.

But she's also one of only three women she met at her company in the 12 years she worked in software. Everyone was thrilled to have her. No one threw up barriers. No one gate kept her out. The simple fact is...not that many women are interested in STEM. It grew for a while in the late 80s, and into the 90s, but leveled out by 2000.

I understand that since I'm using words, and am disagreeing with you, that your marxist training will tell you I must be insulted. Your next play is ad hominem attack, I believe.

I'll leave you with this. With rare exceptions a woman can do almost anything a man can do. With rare exceptions a man can do almost everything a woman can do. There are great male pre-school teachers, and amazing female surgeons. But in general men and women make different life choices. This is a fact, mirrored globally, everywhere they have the freedom to make their own choices.

If every man died tomorrow we'd be screwed for many of the reasons listed here.

If every woman died tomorrow we'd be screwed for a very different set of reasons. In addition to being capable of filling all the jobs a man can fill, they are also the nurturers and primary care givers in our society. See: nature. Check out every other primate. Our genders are specialized for a reason.

Recognizing that doesn't make anyone a misogynist, nor does it mean we're saying a woman can't do anything she wants to. You'll still lob the big M word my way I'm sure, though.

To everyone else reading...I am so glad for this forum's existence. Anywhere else and I would be banned for this post.
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« Reply #28 on: September 19, 2021, 04:45:40 AM »
Anyone actually watching the show, or are you all too busy hate-fucking each other?

I'm on the fence on whether I want to invest the time. Maybe after I finish my Babylon 5 rewatch and have nothing else to do.
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« Reply #29 on: September 19, 2021, 05:36:50 PM »
If both sides of the political spectrum hate it, then it might be worth watching.