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Title: Wonder Woman 84 Trailer
Post by: Ratman_tf on December 08, 2019, 10:28:40 pm


Do I have to spoiler block Steve Trevor? He's in the goddam trailer.

First impressions:

I really liked the first Wonder Woman up until the nonsense fight with Ares. So I'm really-really glad this one features a real supervillian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonder_Woman_1984#cite_note-Cheetah_confirmation-3), and some commies as the baddies.

The rich dude, if it turns out to be lame Hollywood "Orange Man Bad!" analog, I'm going to be dissapointed. If so, I expect they'll try to tie "Not Trump" to the commies in a clever symbolism. *throws up a little in mouth*

Steve Trevor. Hm. I really dislike the comic-book-ism of playing up a character's death, and then bringing them back. But Wonder Woman wouldn't be the same without Steve Trevor. I'm surprised that I'm fine with him coming back out of the revolving door O' death.

Well, looking forward to this with some extreme reservations.

[I totally submitted this post in Pundit's forum accidentally. Mods feel free to reject/delete the other one.]
Title: Wonder Woman 84 Trailer
Post by: Koltar on December 08, 2019, 11:11:06 pm
The "rich dude" as you call him was not created for the movie - he is a version of Maxwell Lord - he has been in DC Comics for decades, for a while he was associated with the Justice League.

Here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell_Lord

- Ed C
Title: Wonder Woman 84 Trailer
Post by: Ratman_tf on December 08, 2019, 11:34:20 pm
Quote from: Koltar;1116029
The "rich dude" as you call him was not created for the movie - he is a version of Maxwell Lord - he has been in DC Comics for decades, for a while he was associated with the Justice League.

Here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell_Lord

- Ed C

Cool. That gives me some hope.
Title: Wonder Woman 84 Trailer
Post by: Lurkndog on December 08, 2019, 11:54:18 pm
That's a pretty good trailer, though the visual design says 1970s more than 1980s IMHO.

Hopefully it's good. It's certainly nice to see Gal Gadot back as Wonder Woman.

As for Maxwell Lord, ecch. That was one of my least favorite Wonder Woman storylines of all time.

But we can hope for the best.
Title: Wonder Woman 84 Trailer
Post by: wmarshal on December 09, 2019, 02:49:41 pm
At first I thought they made a mistake in using Blue Monday for 1984 because I didn't hear that song until a few years later. Turns out I was mistaken. I didn't hear a Blue Monday until much later because I lived in the middle of nowhere.

I don't think it's much of an issue with there being small bit of 70s vibe in the trailer. Trends and fashions don't break exactly on decades.
Title: Wonder Woman 84 Trailer
Post by: Pat on December 09, 2019, 07:30:07 pm
Except for the logos, the talking head on the TV, and a quick shot of some kids in the background, very little in the trailer is tied to a decade. Dark suits and classic gowns are pretty universal.

The video looked good, but I didn't come away with any idea what the movie is about. Some random woman, Trevor's back, smashing security cameras, maybe the White House, a little Pecos Bill action with the storm riding (except tinglier), and then Diana becomes Hawkgirl?
Title: Wonder Woman 84 Trailer
Post by: Lurkndog on December 11, 2019, 09:49:29 am
Quote from: Ratman_tf;1116027
Steve Trevor. Hm. I really dislike the comic-book-ism of playing up a character's death, and then bringing them back. But Wonder Woman wouldn't be the same without Steve Trevor. I'm surprised that I'm fine with him coming back out of the revolving door O' death.

Frankly, I like Chris Pine enough that I'm willing to give them a pass on the revolving door of death. I think the movie will be significantly improved by having Pine in it.

Also, giving Wonder Woman someone to talk to is important for a lot of reasons, and they won't have the rest of the supporting cast from the first movie.

Lastly, the bit from the trailer where it's Steve who's the stranger in the strange land and Diana is showing him around is a clever role reversal that totally works.
Title: Wonder Woman 84 Trailer
Post by: Ratman_tf on December 11, 2019, 02:08:39 pm
Quote from: Lurkndog;1116193
Frankly, I like Chris Pine enough that I'm willing to give them a pass on the revolving door of death. I think the movie will be significantly improved by having Pine in it.

Also, giving Wonder Woman someone to talk to is important for a lot of reasons, and they won't have the rest of the supporting cast from the first movie.

Lastly, the bit from the trailer where it's Steve who's the stranger in the strange land and Diana is showing him around is a clever role reversal that totally works.

Agree. In other hands, it might have fizzled like a wet fart. But the writers and director on WW seem to be on the ball.

If trends continue, I'm considering seeing this one in the theater. And I think the last time I crept out of my hole to go to see a movie was for the first Thor.
Title: Wonder Woman 84 Trailer
Post by: Tom Kalbfus on June 22, 2020, 01:03:58 am
Wasn't Maxwell Lord also the chief villain in the movie Superman III with Richard Prior?
Title: Wonder Woman 84 Trailer
Post by: Omega on June 22, 2020, 02:45:16 am
Quote from: Ratman_tf;1116027
Steve Trevor. Hm. I really dislike the comic-book-ism of playing up a character's death, and then bringing them back. But Wonder Woman wouldn't be the same without Steve Trevor. I'm surprised that I'm fine with him coming back out of the revolving door O' death.

Usually when comics play up a characters death it tends to stick for a while. What alot of people think is "revolving door" is just someone else coming along and deciding to undo that death for whatever reason.

Jean Grey/Phoenix was a good example for a long time. Alot of writers hated the editorial mandate that killed her off. Same with Jason Todd and a few others. Writers just waiting for things to change enough they could undo what they thought was a wrong. And sometimes was. Just like any retcon.

The problem in movies is when they kill off a character and then one movie later its undone. Avengers.

Bu the one really hate is when a character survives one movie only to be killed off in the next one. Usually in the first scene.
Title: Wonder Woman 84 Trailer
Post by: Omega on June 22, 2020, 02:51:36 am
Quote from: Tom Kalbfus;1135579
Wasn't Maxwell Lord also the chief villain in the movie Superman III with Richard Prior?

Nope, a, far as I know, original villain called Ross Webster. It did though have a sort of female Brainiac. Which was never called Brainiac. (apparently though the original scrip had Brainiac in it. But in a totally different role.)
Title: Wonder Woman 84 Trailer
Post by: Tom Kalbfus on June 22, 2020, 07:16:46 pm
Quote from: Omega;1135592
Usually when comics play up a characters death it tends to stick for a while. What alot of people think is "revolving door" is just someone else coming along and deciding to undo that death for whatever reason.

Jean Grey/Phoenix was a good example for a long time. Alot of writers hated the editorial mandate that killed her off. Same with Jason Todd and a few others. Writers just waiting for things to change enough they could undo what they thought was a wrong. And sometimes was. Just like any retcon.

The problem in movies is when they kill off a character and then one movie later its undone. Avengers.

Bu the one really hate is when a character survives one movie only to be killed off in the next one. Usually in the first scene.


Nothing really is impossible in DC comics! The main problem is that Wonder Woman is immortal and Steve Trevor is not, if he didn't die in World War I he would have grown old and died while Wonder Woman does not, that is the tragedy of being someone who doesn't age.  Steve Trevor could always come back for the next Justice League movie. How? Wonder Woman could ask the Flash to do her a favor, all he has to do is go back in time and rescue Steve Trevor a split second before the plane he is in exploded and then bring him forward in time, be doing so, he won't alter history as Wonder Woman will still think he is dead back in the past. Yep, the Flash could do that, he could also go back in time and retrieve Supergirl from the Ice Age that her Starship crashed in Ellesmere Island.
Title: Wonder Woman 84 Trailer
Post by: Omega on June 23, 2020, 01:27:39 pm
Wonder Woman and Steve Trevor only works when they stick to one era for the series. Otherwise it falls apart as the movies so stupidly show off. DC just rebooted the setting and updated the characters to the new era and kept it that way rather than trying to bridge a gap that cant be. WWII era Wonder Woman & Steve are different people from 60s or modern era counterparts. They used to actually meet up for adventures with the Justice League.
Title: Wonder Woman 84 Trailer
Post by: Lurkndog on June 24, 2020, 07:47:53 pm
Quote from: Tom Kalbfus;1135728
Nothing really is impossible in DC comics! The main problem is that Wonder Woman is immortal and Steve Trevor is not, if he didn't die in World War I he would have grown old and died while Wonder Woman does not, that is the tragedy of being someone who doesn't age.


Not necessarily. If Steve had gone back to Themyscyra with Diana at the end of the first movie, he could reappear with her in the modern age, having not aged a day in the intervening decades.
Title: Wonder Woman 84 Trailer
Post by: Ratman_tf on June 24, 2020, 08:28:48 pm
I'm hoping whatever gimmick brings Steve back, comes with a side-effect of longevity.
Title: Wonder Woman 84 Trailer
Post by: FelixGamingX1 on June 28, 2020, 12:11:43 pm
Hmm watched the first one for all those gorgeous legs and ended up loving it. This new movie doesn't appear to be a powerful sequel like Dark Knight Rises, more like piggy backing on the success of the original one. Much like that Bizarre fast & furious spin off with aliens and all sorts of crazy things.
Title: Wonder Woman 84 Trailer
Post by: Ratman_tf on June 28, 2020, 03:17:58 pm
Quote from: FelixGamingX1;1136797
Much like that Bizarre fast & furious spin off with aliens and all sorts of crazy things.

Wut?
Title: Wonder Woman 84 Trailer
Post by: Ratman_tf on August 21, 2020, 12:49:07 am
Well, that's fun.

'Wonder Woman 1984' Villain Is Partly Inspired By Donald Trump
Director Patty Jenkins says it's not political, but "yes, Trump's definitely one of the people that we looked at." (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/wonder-woman-1984-villain-donald-trump_n_5f3d53cbc5b6835236053334?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAD7xwMRyVDPkJxUAKvDMThgV6N3LF2le152iP47laEbcHSSe6Gr7-G6bwqAq8iTLskshcm-YjasLegr5ddpHtdLUCjEDRMhChSenD_aCT63LtftT5-5ZrCqrJePPR7vwdfdXwmgvy8tgSMKnrN5DIRqjDa2ufYqHvjConloQLBRx)
Title: Wonder Woman 84 Trailer
Post by: GeekyBugle on August 21, 2020, 02:16:32 am
Quote from: Ratman_tf;1145772
Well, that's fun.

'Wonder Woman 1984' Villain Is Partly Inspired By Donald Trump
Director Patty Jenkins says it's not political, but "yes, Trump's definitely one of the people that we looked at." (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/wonder-woman-1984-villain-donald-trump_n_5f3d53cbc5b6835236053334?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAD7xwMRyVDPkJxUAKvDMThgV6N3LF2le152iP47laEbcHSSe6Gr7-G6bwqAq8iTLskshcm-YjasLegr5ddpHtdLUCjEDRMhChSenD_aCT63LtftT5-5ZrCqrJePPR7vwdfdXwmgvy8tgSMKnrN5DIRqjDa2ufYqHvjConloQLBRx)

Never ever give them clicks (https://archive.is/YHxRi)
Title: Re: Wonder Woman 84 Trailer
Post by: Lurkndog on September 18, 2020, 12:51:49 pm
And now they've pushed the release date back to December 25th.  >:(

Variety: ‘Wonder Woman 1984’ Release Date Pushed to Christmas  (https://variety.com/2020/film/news/wonder-woman-1984-delayed-christmas-1234766774/)
 
Frankly, I think that's a mistake.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman 84 Trailer
Post by: Pat on September 18, 2020, 01:53:20 pm
And now they've pushed the release date back to December 25th.  >:(

Variety: ‘Wonder Woman 1984’ Release Date Pushed to Christmas  (https://variety.com/2020/film/news/wonder-woman-1984-delayed-christmas-1234766774/)
 
Frankly, I think that's a mistake.
I'm not sure they have any good options.
Title: Re: Wonder Woman 84 Trailer
Post by: Omega on September 18, 2020, 04:17:58 pm
Long as pushing back the release was not to film new footage to appease the woke cult.
Title: Re: Wonder Woman 84 Trailer
Post by: Ratman_tf on September 18, 2020, 08:39:41 pm
And now they've pushed the release date back to December 25th.  >:(

Variety: ‘Wonder Woman 1984’ Release Date Pushed to Christmas  (https://variety.com/2020/film/news/wonder-woman-1984-delayed-christmas-1234766774/)
 
Frankly, I think that's a mistake.


They should bite the bullet and release to streaming. It sucks, but if they wait for the beer bug to be "over", they could wind up delaying the movie indefinitley.
Title: Re: Wonder Woman 84 Trailer
Post by: Lurkndog on September 19, 2020, 10:39:50 am
And now they've pushed the release date back to December 25th.  >:(

Variety: ‘Wonder Woman 1984’ Release Date Pushed to Christmas  (https://variety.com/2020/film/news/wonder-woman-1984-delayed-christmas-1234766774/)
 
Frankly, I think that's a mistake.
I'm not sure they have any good options.
Tenet opened at $20 million its first weekend. That suggests that audiences are willing to show up for a big movie.

What they needed to do, IMHO, is to use September to ramp that up instead of cooling it off.

Besides, ANY box office is better than no box office. And by stalling their 2020 summer releases, they are delaying their 2021 releases, and in the end that means making less money, and having to hold onto more debt for longer.

They could also try pushing Blu-ray much harder than they currently are. Do a premium Blu-ray release for $50, or even $100, and make the extras worth it. I would pay $50 to get a WW84 blu-ray in my hands today, particularly if it had a good gimmick, like a genuine Polaroid of Gal Gadot.
Title: Re: Wonder Woman 84 Trailer
Post by: Pat on September 19, 2020, 01:31:35 pm
Tenet opened at $20 million its first weekend. That suggests that audiences are willing to show up for a big movie.
$20 million is almost nothing, particularly when you consider the lack of competition and pent up demand. One of the biggest problems is a lot of the big opening weekend markets are entirely closed -- when there are no theaters open in Los Angeles, San Fran, and New York the traditional launch plans have to be scuttled.

While a premium Blu-ray is a possible alternative, Blu-rays are a dying medium. The world is moving to streaming, which makes Disney's experiment more interesting. According to the latest reports, the release of the live action Mulan as premium content on the Disney+ streaming platform ($30 on top of the $7/month) has apparently raised more money than Tenet. An analytics company is estimating that 9 million subscribers paid extra for Mulan, totaling $261 million. Which is pure Disney profit, since they don't have to split the box office with the theater chains. Tenet by contrast raised $207 million, and only $29 million of that came from the US market, so the studio ended up with only a small fraction of that money.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/nearly-onethird-of-us-households-purchased-mulan-on-disney-for-30-fee-data-221410961.html
https://movieweb.com/mulan-2020-box-office-disney-plus-earnings/
Title: Re: Wonder Woman 84 Trailer
Post by: Lurkndog on September 20, 2020, 02:49:35 pm
I suspect that one reason why the studios are waiting for theaters to reopen is piracy. Once you release a show on disc or streaming, it shows up on torrents very soon.

As for the death of physical media, all I can say is that I still buy Blu-rays, and books, and the occasional CD.
Title: Re: Wonder Woman 84 Trailer
Post by: Hawkwing7423 on September 20, 2020, 09:11:19 pm
For me, Blu-Ray and CDs are dying. I do still buy physical books quite often.
I have a few favorite movies on Blu-Ray but don't really add to that ever.
I'm old enough that I can live without theaters.
Title: Re: Wonder Woman 84 Trailer
Post by: Ratman_tf on September 21, 2020, 03:12:11 am
I do a lot of streaming. Between me and my brother, we have subs to Netflix, Hulu and Disney+. But if the service goes out, permanently or (more likely in the short term) temporarily, we don't have access to any of the content. So we still buy Blu Rays and DVDs.
Title: Re: Wonder Woman 84 Trailer
Post by: Lurkndog on October 05, 2020, 10:41:30 am
And now that Bond has been pushed back into 2021, Regal Cinemas is shutting down operations in the US.

https://comicbook.com/irl/news/regal-cinemas-closing-united-states-until-2021/

Turns out if you don't release movies to the theaters, you pretty soon don't have theaters to release to.
Title: Re: Wonder Woman 84 Trailer
Post by: Ghostmaker on October 06, 2020, 08:23:59 am
And now that Bond has been pushed back into 2021, Regal Cinemas is shutting down operations in the US.

https://comicbook.com/irl/news/regal-cinemas-closing-united-states-until-2021/

Turns out if you don't release movies to the theaters, you pretty soon don't have theaters to release to.
I can't help but think this is going to kill cinema in the U.S., at least. It's been limping along ever since the dawn of VHS, and bleeding out slowly but steadily.
Title: Re: Wonder Woman 84 Trailer
Post by: Pat on October 06, 2020, 10:29:40 am
I can't help but think this is going to kill cinema in the U.S., at least. It's been limping along ever since the dawn of VHS, and bleeding out slowly but steadily.
I'm wondering if blockbusters with $200 million production costs are just going to vanish.

A whole wave of additional delays, including Dune and The Batman:
https://variety.com/2020/film/news/the-batman-delays-release-1234793625/
https://variety.com/2020/film/box-office/dune-release-date-delayed-2021-1234767105/
https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-54432170
Title: Re: Wonder Woman 84 Trailer
Post by: Lurkndog on October 06, 2020, 11:02:16 am
I can't help but think this is going to kill cinema in the U.S., at least. It's been limping along ever since the dawn of VHS, and bleeding out slowly but steadily.

I don't think this will kill moviegoing, but it has certainly set it back.

The movie industry should have been pushing to get people back in theaters, even if at limited capacity with social distancing. Or, hell, do drive in in the parking lot. Instead they pulled back, and made it worse. Now the theater chains are suspending operations, and the studios are sitting on millions of dollars worth of debt from movies they aren't releasing, and they're screwing up the release schedule for 2021 already too.

They will be able to rebuild, but it will be harder now, and take longer.

Title: Re: Wonder Woman 84 Trailer
Post by: Omega on October 12, 2020, 07:28:17 pm
I can't help but think this is going to kill cinema in the U.S., at least. It's been limping along ever since the dawn of VHS, and bleeding out slowly but steadily.

People like to go to the movies still and some find the TV/DVD/whatever experience to be lacking in some way.

Others like to see the movie as it was released, rather than the increasingly edited versions that end up on DVD. Or were burned by the many screwovers of fake "letterboxing" that ruined many a VHS and DVD, and other screwups. Even moreso with TV shows as if you didnt see it on release you likely will never see it in its original form thereafter. This has been a problem for a long time now.
Title: Re: Wonder Woman 84 Trailer
Post by: Omega on October 12, 2020, 07:32:24 pm
I'm wondering if blockbusters with $200 million production costs are just going to vanish.

A whole wave of additional delays, including Dune and The Batman:
https://variety.com/2020/film/news/the-batman-delays-release-1234793625/
https://variety.com/2020/film/box-office/dune-release-date-delayed-2021-1234767105/
https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-54432170

1: One can hope. These things have been increasingly a mess in one way or another and probably part of why companies attack negative reviews now or increasingly shill good reviews.

2: Some are also being pushed back due to SJW mandated changes. Or other bouts of terminal stupid Hollywood is rapidly death spiralling.
Title: Re: Wonder Woman 84 Trailer
Post by: Omega on October 12, 2020, 07:36:03 pm
I don't think this will kill moviegoing, but it has certainly set it back.

The movie industry should have been pushing to get people back in theaters, even if at limited capacity with social distancing. Or, hell, do drive in in the parking lot. Instead they pulled back, and made it worse. Now the theater chains are suspending operations, and the studios are sitting on millions of dollars worth of debt from movies they aren't releasing, and they're screwing up the release schedule for 2021 already too.

They will be able to rebuild, but it will be harder now, and take longer.

1: People like the experience too much to give it up.

2: I am surprised we did not see an attempt to revive drive ins.

3: At this point Hollywood has shot itself in the head so many times and is prepping to decapitate itself with upcomming disasters that its looking increasingly bleak for movies and theaters.
Title: Re: Wonder Woman 84 Trailer
Post by: Lurkndog on October 13, 2020, 04:03:09 pm
2: I am surprised we did not see an attempt to revive drive ins.

As far as I know, the remaining drive-in theaters have stayed open and stayed in business. They are pretty rare, though, and generally way out in the boonies.

There were stories about Walmarts doing drive in movies in their parking lots, but I'm not aware of any near me doing it. Our local Walmarts are kind of shitty.
Title: Re: Wonder Woman 84 Trailer
Post by: Pat on October 13, 2020, 07:24:00 pm
2: I am surprised we did not see an attempt to revive drive ins.
That's been happening. Farms, museums, kiddy attractions, and other entertainment venues have been doing drive-in movies. It's improvised modifications of existing facilities, and event-driven, aimed at drawing in crowds when social distancing and limited capacity makes indoor events less viable (and less profitable), rather than new stand-alone drive-ins. But that makes sense, because the lockdowns are supposed but to end at some point, so it doesn't make a lot of sense to make a big capital investment in something that will fade away in a few months. I can't vouch for how widespread it it, but I've seen it in multiple parts of the country.