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« on: December 08, 2019, 10:28:40 PM »


Do I have to spoiler block Steve Trevor? He's in the goddam trailer.

First impressions:

I really liked the first Wonder Woman up until the nonsense fight with Ares. So I'm really-really glad this one features a real supervillian, and some commies as the baddies.

The rich dude, if it turns out to be lame Hollywood "Orange Man Bad!" analog, I'm going to be dissapointed. If so, I expect they'll try to tie "Not Trump" to the commies in a clever symbolism. *throws up a little in mouth*

Steve Trevor. Hm. I really dislike the comic-book-ism of playing up a character's death, and then bringing them back. But Wonder Woman wouldn't be the same without Steve Trevor. I'm surprised that I'm fine with him coming back out of the revolving door O' death.

Well, looking forward to this with some extreme reservations.

[I totally submitted this post in Pundit's forum accidentally. Mods feel free to reject/delete the other one.]
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« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2019, 11:11:06 PM »
The "rich dude" as you call him was not created for the movie - he is a version of Maxwell Lord - he has been in DC Comics for decades, for a while he was associated with the Justice League.

Here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell_Lord

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« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2019, 11:34:20 PM »
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The "rich dude" as you call him was not created for the movie - he is a version of Maxwell Lord - he has been in DC Comics for decades, for a while he was associated with the Justice League.

Here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell_Lord

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Cool. That gives me some hope.
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« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2019, 11:54:18 PM »
That's a pretty good trailer, though the visual design says 1970s more than 1980s IMHO.

Hopefully it's good. It's certainly nice to see Gal Gadot back as Wonder Woman.

As for Maxwell Lord, ecch. That was one of my least favorite Wonder Woman storylines of all time.

But we can hope for the best.

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« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2019, 02:49:41 PM »
At first I thought they made a mistake in using Blue Monday for 1984 because I didn't hear that song until a few years later. Turns out I was mistaken. I didn't hear a Blue Monday until much later because I lived in the middle of nowhere.

I don't think it's much of an issue with there being small bit of 70s vibe in the trailer. Trends and fashions don't break exactly on decades.

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« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2019, 07:30:07 PM »
Except for the logos, the talking head on the TV, and a quick shot of some kids in the background, very little in the trailer is tied to a decade. Dark suits and classic gowns are pretty universal.

The video looked good, but I didn't come away with any idea what the movie is about. Some random woman, Trevor's back, smashing security cameras, maybe the White House, a little Pecos Bill action with the storm riding (except tinglier), and then Diana becomes Hawkgirl?

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« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2019, 09:49:29 AM »
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Steve Trevor. Hm. I really dislike the comic-book-ism of playing up a character's death, and then bringing them back. But Wonder Woman wouldn't be the same without Steve Trevor. I'm surprised that I'm fine with him coming back out of the revolving door O' death.

Frankly, I like Chris Pine enough that I'm willing to give them a pass on the revolving door of death. I think the movie will be significantly improved by having Pine in it.

Also, giving Wonder Woman someone to talk to is important for a lot of reasons, and they won't have the rest of the supporting cast from the first movie.

Lastly, the bit from the trailer where it's Steve who's the stranger in the strange land and Diana is showing him around is a clever role reversal that totally works.

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« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2019, 02:08:39 PM »
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Frankly, I like Chris Pine enough that I'm willing to give them a pass on the revolving door of death. I think the movie will be significantly improved by having Pine in it.

Also, giving Wonder Woman someone to talk to is important for a lot of reasons, and they won't have the rest of the supporting cast from the first movie.

Lastly, the bit from the trailer where it's Steve who's the stranger in the strange land and Diana is showing him around is a clever role reversal that totally works.

Agree. In other hands, it might have fizzled like a wet fart. But the writers and director on WW seem to be on the ball.

If trends continue, I'm considering seeing this one in the theater. And I think the last time I crept out of my hole to go to see a movie was for the first Thor.
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« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2020, 01:03:58 AM »
Wasn't Maxwell Lord also the chief villain in the movie Superman III with Richard Prior?

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« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2020, 02:45:16 AM »
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Steve Trevor. Hm. I really dislike the comic-book-ism of playing up a character's death, and then bringing them back. But Wonder Woman wouldn't be the same without Steve Trevor. I'm surprised that I'm fine with him coming back out of the revolving door O' death.

Usually when comics play up a characters death it tends to stick for a while. What alot of people think is "revolving door" is just someone else coming along and deciding to undo that death for whatever reason.

Jean Grey/Phoenix was a good example for a long time. Alot of writers hated the editorial mandate that killed her off. Same with Jason Todd and a few others. Writers just waiting for things to change enough they could undo what they thought was a wrong. And sometimes was. Just like any retcon.

The problem in movies is when they kill off a character and then one movie later its undone. Avengers.

Bu the one really hate is when a character survives one movie only to be killed off in the next one. Usually in the first scene.

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« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2020, 02:51:36 AM »
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Wasn't Maxwell Lord also the chief villain in the movie Superman III with Richard Prior?

Nope, a, far as I know, original villain called Ross Webster. It did though have a sort of female Brainiac. Which was never called Brainiac. (apparently though the original scrip had Brainiac in it. But in a totally different role.)

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« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2020, 07:16:46 PM »
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Usually when comics play up a characters death it tends to stick for a while. What alot of people think is "revolving door" is just someone else coming along and deciding to undo that death for whatever reason.

Jean Grey/Phoenix was a good example for a long time. Alot of writers hated the editorial mandate that killed her off. Same with Jason Todd and a few others. Writers just waiting for things to change enough they could undo what they thought was a wrong. And sometimes was. Just like any retcon.

The problem in movies is when they kill off a character and then one movie later its undone. Avengers.

Bu the one really hate is when a character survives one movie only to be killed off in the next one. Usually in the first scene.


Nothing really is impossible in DC comics! The main problem is that Wonder Woman is immortal and Steve Trevor is not, if he didn't die in World War I he would have grown old and died while Wonder Woman does not, that is the tragedy of being someone who doesn't age.  Steve Trevor could always come back for the next Justice League movie. How? Wonder Woman could ask the Flash to do her a favor, all he has to do is go back in time and rescue Steve Trevor a split second before the plane he is in exploded and then bring him forward in time, be doing so, he won't alter history as Wonder Woman will still think he is dead back in the past. Yep, the Flash could do that, he could also go back in time and retrieve Supergirl from the Ice Age that her Starship crashed in Ellesmere Island.

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« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2020, 01:27:39 PM »
Wonder Woman and Steve Trevor only works when they stick to one era for the series. Otherwise it falls apart as the movies so stupidly show off. DC just rebooted the setting and updated the characters to the new era and kept it that way rather than trying to bridge a gap that cant be. WWII era Wonder Woman & Steve are different people from 60s or modern era counterparts. They used to actually meet up for adventures with the Justice League.

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« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2020, 07:47:53 PM »
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Nothing really is impossible in DC comics! The main problem is that Wonder Woman is immortal and Steve Trevor is not, if he didn't die in World War I he would have grown old and died while Wonder Woman does not, that is the tragedy of being someone who doesn't age.


Not necessarily. If Steve had gone back to Themyscyra with Diana at the end of the first movie, he could reappear with her in the modern age, having not aged a day in the intervening decades.

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« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2020, 08:28:48 PM »
I'm hoping whatever gimmick brings Steve back, comes with a side-effect of longevity.
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