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« Reply #90 on: June 14, 2007, 09:17:49 PM »
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Now, when that moderator voice is constantly attacking anyone who shows the slightest sign of wrong think, interrogating users like it's the House Subcommittee on Un-American Activities, accusing everyone and anyone who disagrees with him or he sees as a threat to his authority of "conspiracy", constantly waving around the "You should be lucky I haven't banned you!" flag, or the "You should be lucky I didn't completely ban you, I 'only' fucked with your account" he waves after he's done with whatever petty shit he's pulling lately, or the "public consultations" that he makes clear have zero fucking effect on any of his decisions, and only serve to act as yet more threats to users he doesn't like.


Exactly. I think that Pundit is probably the largest hypocrite that I've ever seen online. He wants to damn "The Swine" for engaging in all of the exact same behavior that he does. True, he's not engaging in that behavior to promote arthaus roleplay, though he's very much dedicated to attacking, belittling, and abusing any who don't do things the way that he thinks they should be done. HE HAS A WHOLE FORUM DEDICATED TO IT (not theRPGsite but his personal forum hosted here).

He's an Asshole Elite.

That said, he's actually done a pretty good job of being a moderator, specifically because he doesn't do much moderation. When he does, he comes dangerously close to ruining his good record, really. I think, as others have said, the best thing that Pundit could do for theRPGsite is remove himself from its day to day operations.
 

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« Reply #91 on: June 15, 2007, 01:25:23 PM »
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I'm starting to get fucking sick of this. Like sick in a deep, penetrating sense to my very bone-tiredness.

I've run this site for 9 months or so now, and in that time I HAVE BANNED NO ONE.
I've had to use sanctions against exactly 2 people.
I've had to warn a couple more.

And EVERY FUCKING DAY I put up with the usual suspects, attacking and insulting me at every turn on this forum. Whatever I post, the usual bunch are there, insulting and lying about me.
And every Admin decision I make, they call me a fascist, and claim that this board is headed toward tyranny.  WHEN IN FACT, ITS THE LEAST-MODERATED BOARD OF ITS SIZE IN THE ENTIRE HOBBY.

So here's my deal: are you happy with what I've been doing as Admin here? Do you think that those who are attacking me are the ones who really have theRPGsite's and free speech's best interests at heart? Or is it me who does?

Do any of you really believe that JArcane or James McMurray or Jimbob would be better admins who would value and defend free speech like I have, who would put up with the abuse I put up with every fucking day, and wouldn't just have gone on a fucking banning-spree by now?

Here's your chance to convince me that there are still people on this site who support what I'm fighting for. Otherwise, what the fuck is the point of me carrying on with it?

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My 2 cents.

I think that you're doing a good work as admin, and you really do a good work on keeping the site alive. I appreciate your determination to stick to your guns, and that we all can call you on your bullshit.

I don't think that you're heading to tiranny. I think that your online persona is a fucking paranoid nutjob, and frankly put: no one's out there going to get you. Or trying and planning how to disrupt this site. Actually, most people don't know / don't give a shit about this site.

As I said, you are doing a good work. DOn't let your paranoia get the best of you.

And no, I'm not going to give you the bullshit of "you volunteered to do this, so fuck you and suck it up." I only hope that this gives you a better understanding of what being a mod means :) And I say this seriously.
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« Reply #92 on: June 15, 2007, 05:30:01 PM »
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are you happy with what I've been doing as Admin here?


Yes

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Do any of you really believe that JArcane or James McMurray or Jimbob would be better admins...


No, I clipped it because I don't have a view on their tendency to banning sprees, but I think by and large you do a great job.

Bear in mind, many of us contributed funds to keep the site going, that really is all you need to know about people supporting what you're doing.

Talk is free, contributing money cost me.  If I didn't think this was working well, I wouldn't have bothered.

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« Reply #93 on: June 15, 2007, 06:08:03 PM »
Yeah, I think you do a fine job as an admin.

You do make things harder on yourself, and possibly detract from the success of the site, by being so unrestrained in expressing yourself. By that I simply mean that people who'd be great contributors are frankly scared off, and some people do disrupt the site by trying to be "rebels" instead of just ignoring you. Maybe there are side benefits too in that some blowhards also give this place a wide berth, but I think your position as owner/admin amplifies the negative effect relative to how things would be if you were just another poster. This is purely one of those things that proves the weakness of human nature--the triumph of appearances and psychology over rationality, which then arguably makes it rational to concern oneself with appearances and psychology instead of substance. Whatever.

All I have to add is that you're probably letting some of the "rebels" get to you more than you should, which makes you seem paranoid.

The success of your overall management of the site is best measured in the number & quality of discussions going on here. Personally I think that's gone down a bit in the last week or so--probably because we've just had too much talk about "Swine/Who's a Swine?/Are there Swine?/Prove to me that there are Swine!", which both sucks up attention from more worthy topics and may be turning people off. Really: to anyone who cares about the site, we should tone it down & give it a rest. The best way to "win the war" (such as it is) is to maintain a healthy amount of actual game-related discussion independent of either "swinery" or obsession with the topic of "swinery" one way or the other.

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« Reply #94 on: June 15, 2007, 08:37:56 PM »
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And the dogpile continues, with a real RPGnet regular for old times sake.

Come on, man, I dig you too, and more importantly, I expect better from you.

SP has pulled this same act before, and I wasn't just going to sit back and let the arsehole turn on me just because he wasn't having enough fun goading Pundit anymore.  

Apparently however, I have failed, because all my "calling bullshit" has done is given the troll what he wants, more flames.  For which I WILL apologize.


Dude, not dogpiling, really.  But man, you have to see - you ARE coming off as something of a dick.  I probably am too, but what the fuck.

I NEVER ONCE got the "dickhead" vibe from you on BP - maybe this place brings out the worst in some people, ya know?  Its sure as shit brought out the worst in me on occasion.  But then, its the end of the shcool year, and marking and exams are over my head, and I REALLY need a full nights sleep without worrying about where I'm going to teach next eyar - IF I'll be anywhere teaching next year...blah.

But I really don't want to insult you at all.  Should have pulled the "dick" thing back, as I do really have fond memories of your time on BP.  Cheers mate.
 

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« Reply #95 on: June 15, 2007, 08:51:05 PM »
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Dude, not dogpiling, really.  But man, you have to see - you ARE coming off as something of a dick.  I probably am too, but what the fuck.

I NEVER ONCE got the "dickhead" vibe from you on BP - maybe this place brings out the worst in some people, ya know?  Its sure as shit brought out the worst in me on occasion.  But then, its the end of the shcool year, and marking and exams are over my head, and I REALLY need a full nights sleep without worrying about where I'm going to teach next eyar - IF I'll be anywhere teaching next year...blah.

But I really don't want to insult you at all.  Should have pulled the "dick" thing back, as I do really have fond memories of your time on BP.  Cheers mate.

No worries man, I just have a sore spot when it comes to disingenuous and dishonest behavior, and SP hit the nerve.  My inability to shut the hell up and let people get away with that kind of crap had a lot to do with me getting banned from TBP.  

And hey, he's gone and proved my point well better than I ever could have, so it's all good.  Now I can just sit back and watch.  ;)
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« Reply #96 on: June 15, 2007, 10:34:43 PM »
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I'm starting to get fucking sick of this. Like sick in a deep, penetrating sense to my very bone-tiredness.[...]

And EVERY FUCKING DAY I put up with the usual suspects, attacking and insulting me at every turn on this forum. Whatever I post, the usual bunch are there, insulting and lying about me.
And every Admin decision I make, they call me a fascist, and claim that this board is headed toward tyranny. [...]

Do any of you really believe that JArcane or James McMurray or Jimbob would be better admins who would value and defend free speech like I have, who would put up with the abuse I put up with every fucking day, and wouldn't just have gone on a fucking banning-spree by now?[...]

I did not say that you were a fascist, or that this board was headed toward tyranny.

I simply said that racist fuckers like Dominus Nox should be banned, and that people like James McMurray shouldn't be sanctioned for stirring shit unless they actually are doing so. This is because I don't believe in free speech on an rpg board; I believe in free speech about roleplaying here on this rpg board. The rest is just cosmetic, and not really relevant. It can detract from therpgsite (like racist and sexist stuff, putting off potential members), but it can't really add to it (having intellectual debates about the existence of God may be interesting, but won't add anything rpg-wise). Since it can detract from but not add to the place, I would be more of an arsehole about moderating it. And I would certainly be called a fascist, and a tyrant, and so on.

Take for example this thread. There's a question about RPGPundit's moderation style, and there are a heap of responses about whether people personally like or dislike RPGPundit. It's irrelevant shit which does not address the question. I would prescribe "stay on-topic." For which I would no doubt be called fascist, tyrannical and so on. I would be delighted to oppress people by encouraging them to keep their comments at least within spitting distance of the topic at hand. After all, if you want to say that Poster X is a cunt, you can always start a new thread.

As an admin, I absolutely would have banned some posters by now. However, I would have been more often prescriptive than proscriptive. For example, rather than banning J_Arcane I would PM him to say that he should talk more about rpgs, and threadcrap and abuse people less.

Criticism of decisions you make is part of the job of being able to make decisions, RPGPundit. If you don't like that, then step down as an admin, and then you won't have to make any decisions. Otherwise you'll start to sound suspiciously like the admin/mods of a certain other rpg forum who are endlessly complaining that their volunteer efforts are unappreciated. Of course it's unappreciated. That's the nature of anyone who's in a position to get things done and make decisions - everyone will complain when they think you're doing something wrong, no-one will praise you when they think you're doing something right. If you don't like it, quit, because it's not going to change, it's just human nature.

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« Reply #97 on: June 16, 2007, 01:44:33 AM »
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My inability to shut the hell up and let people get away with that kind of crap had a lot to do with me getting banned from TBP.  


Wha? When'd this happen? Permaban or a vacation?

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« Reply #98 on: June 16, 2007, 01:52:41 AM »
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Wha? When'd this happen? Permaban or a vacation?
I was permabanned.  It is somewhat complicated, but boils down to me being too vocal about Darren's asinine behavior, thus getting me branded a troublemaker, coupled with what they saw as a tendency towards "vigilante moderating", in other words, calling out trolls.
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« Reply #99 on: June 16, 2007, 06:06:07 AM »
*blink* Well shit. I wondered wtf had happened to ya...

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« Reply #100 on: June 16, 2007, 11:24:30 AM »
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I was permabanned.  It is somewhat complicated, but boils down to me being too vocal about Darren's asinine behavior, thus getting me branded a troublemaker, coupled with what they saw as a tendency towards "vigilante moderating", in other words, calling out trolls.

I actually had the effrontery to report Darren, and said so in the open, and he basically MOCKED the idea (can you imagine?) essentially saying "good luck with all that".

:rolleyes:

(Edit: I originally used a word I think I just made up - termity - for effrontery. It sounded good, but I thought "does that mean what I think it means" - so I looked it up and its not a real word (in English at least) - WTF? I know I've heard and/or seen that word used before... anyone else? Or am I'm just getting senile?)
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« Reply #101 on: June 16, 2007, 11:31:19 AM »
I think "temerity" is the word you're looking for.
 

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« Reply #102 on: June 16, 2007, 11:38:48 AM »
Oh, thanks. Phew, thought I was going crazy, but I just can't spell for shit apparently. :)  Looks like effrontery is a better word in the context anyway.
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« Reply #103 on: June 16, 2007, 02:47:01 PM »
And I think its "A-ffrontery", just to throw wood on the fire.
 

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« Reply #104 on: June 16, 2007, 04:20:10 PM »
Nope! Ha!
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