I despise Andy Warhol.

Does that count?

"Post-modern" is the jargon equivalent of "nigger". It's only ever used by people hurling abuse at someone else, and dopes trying to sound cool.

Post-modernism in the academic context is the assertion that truth cannot be understood or found, and thus in academic study the search for fact is a worthless endeavor and its discourse and semantics, not facts, that matter.

Its very closely connected to relativism and deconstructionism, and the main proponents of all of these are generally despicable human beings and terribly bad academics.
Foucault, for example, was a sick fuck who spent the last few years of his life intentionally infecting people with AIDS because he felt it would prove a deconstructivist point. Well, in one way it certainly did; it demonstrates the logical conclusion of relativism and how it would lead to utter anarchy and a new dark age.

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Quote from: RPGPunditto utter anarchy and a new dark age.

One where forgie games are the norm and real roleplayers must meet furtively in shadowy alleys.

Quote from: walkerpOne where forgie games are the norm and real roleplayers must meet furtively in shadowy alleys.

Memorize your old school RPGs before the firemen come...

Quote from: RPGPunditPost-modernism in the academic context is the assertion that truth cannot be understood or found, and thus in academic study the search for fact is a worthless endeavor and its discourse and semantics, not facts, that matter.

Its very closely connected to relativism and deconstructionism, and the main proponents of all of these are generally despicable human beings and terribly bad academics.
Foucault, for example, was a sick fuck who spent the last few years of his life intentionally infecting people with AIDS because he felt it would prove a deconstructivist point. Well, in one way it certainly did; it demonstrates the logical conclusion of relativism and how it would lead to utter anarchy and a new dark age.

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What about Gadamer?

Quote from: David RI liked Death Proof.

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David R

Ditto.

Sorry to do this guys, I but I thought Death Proof sucked.  The set-up, the Kurt Russel character and the last 20 minutes were fantastic.  Unfortunately the bulk of the movie were a bunch of generic chicks sitting around and talking.  Lame-o and really was a major tipping point in the walkerp Tarantino balance sheet.  He might as well have made a movie about him masturbating and I would have been just as annoyed, bored and uncomfortable.

Planet Terror, on the other hand, now that was a movie.  Tipped me back to liking Rodriguez.  At least the guy likes to have fun and wants his audience to have fun as well.  And he got the grindhouse, where Tarantino missed it (or at least captured the wanky, pretentious films that sometimes snuck into the deuce).

Quote from: CallousMemorize your old school RPGs before the firemen come...

That would imply that I haven't memorized brown box D&D.

Okay, maybe not memorized, but know it well enough that I could recreate most of it if it vanished.

Well, I do think that the name "post-modern" is stupid on the face of it.  It resulted from the stupidity of people in the first half of the 20th century adopting the term "modernism" -- which was obviously a stupid term bound to become dated.  

I haven't seen Grindhouse yet.  I loved Tarantino's early movies, though not so much Kill Bill.  I do think that Tarantino is pretty clearly affected by the deconstructionist trends in art.  Similarly I think post-modernism strongly influenced seminal comics like Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns, Alan Moore's Watchmen and Miracleman, and Neil Gaiman's Sandman.  

Quote from: RPGPunditPost-modernism in the academic context is the assertion that truth cannot be understood or found, and thus in academic study the search for fact is a worthless endeavor and its discourse and semantics, not facts, that matter.

Its very closely connected to relativism and deconstructionism, and the main proponents of all of these are generally despicable human beings and terribly bad academics. Foucault, for example, was a sick fuck ...

I've never read Foucault.  However, I have read Barthes, Kuhn, and Feyerabend -- who are all identified with post-modernism and yet don't hold what you say.  Yes, obviously philosophers like Kuhn or Feyerabend analyze discourse and semantics rather than being active scientists themselves.  So in a sense, perhaps discourse and semantics matter more to them.  According to the wikipedia article on post-modernism, Foucault explicitly rejected the label of post-modern though he seems to have influenced it.

I don't want to comment on this muddle in detail, but two things bear stressing:

1) "Postmodernism" is an invention of American academics, drawing on a frequently weird reading of French philosophers who to a man were indifferent to the term, two books by Lyotard being the exception that prove the rule.

2) That fad expired circa 1995, latest. Since then it's become this undead, urban myth-like, wobbly thing.

To add a bit to what Pierce just said, Barthes was more of a structuralist who later came to adopt some ideas of the deconstructivist trend in philosophy and lit theory.  He sort of occupies a space between the divide of structuralism and deconstruction, which is probably why he was my favorite theorist when I was in college and is the only one that I read on a regular basis in my post-college life.

I read a lot of Derrida, Lacan, etc. when I was first introduced to their ideas via the fiction of Samuel R. Delany.  I even thought I had a firm grasp on it at one time, but no longer, so I've nothing further to add (not that I've added anything very useful here...but hey, if Koltar can make mindless posts, so can I).

Quote from: Pierce Inverarity2) That fad expired circa 1995, latest. Since then it's become this undead, urban myth-like, wobbly thing.

Thus is it ever.  By the time the general public gets wind of a trend, it's relevance is effectively over.

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Also, people who use terms like "deconstructionist" "deconstructivist" and "deconstructionism" are the serial rapists of the English language. Deconstructing something does not make one a "deconstructionist".

You're a bitter little basement dweller, aren't you?