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« on: January 10, 2007, 06:44:00 PM »
To you what is freedom? Is it a state of being? Is it a legal term? Or legal state? Is it obtainable?

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« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2007, 10:25:15 PM »
...just another word for nothing left to lose?

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« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2007, 10:27:15 PM »
How long is a piece of string?

Seriously, your question is too vague. Go post about rpgs, instead of unanswerable vagueness and flaming RPGPundit.
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« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2007, 10:36:05 PM »
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To you what is freedom? Is it a state of being? Is it a legal term? Or legal state? Is it obtainable?

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« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2007, 12:00:34 AM »
For an interesting and valid take on the 'freedom issue" you should read the short story "Cloak of Anarchy" by Larry Niven. It's an example of how bad a thing "total freedom" could be for most people.

For examples of where western society is heading now, read "brave new world" and "1984".....
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« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2007, 12:38:20 AM »
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For examples of where western society is heading now, read "brave new world" and "1984".....


Have you actually read either of those?

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« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2007, 01:12:26 AM »
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For examples of where western society is heading now, read "brave new world" and "1984".....


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« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2007, 02:02:06 AM »
"The free development of each is the condition for the free development of all."
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« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2007, 02:19:34 AM »
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Have you actually read either of those?

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« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2007, 02:41:42 AM »
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KKK rallies and Air America Radio.


And what an interesting combination that is, too.

Sometimes in reading Noxious' posts, I get the feeling that he has a split-personality disorder of some kind. One personality posts the KKK racist crap, and the other posts the over-the-top utterly obvious anti-Bush ranty stuff. Only both are idiots and have some peculiar fascination with Steven Colbert style Truthiness, yet lacking any hint of Colbert's ironic twist on topics.

It's really sort of disturbing in a sad way to think of someone so dense that they sit in their house thinking of the bullshit he does. Then I realize Noxious is an utterly completely average American, and I vomit just a little in my mouth.
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« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2007, 03:34:37 AM »
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And what an interesting combination that is, too.

Sometimes in reading Noxious' posts, I get the feeling that he has a split-personality disorder of some kind. One personality posts the KKK racist crap, and the other posts the over-the-top utterly obvious anti-Bush ranty stuff. Only both are idiots and have some peculiar fascination with Steven Colbert style Truthiness, yet lacking any hint of Colbert's ironic twist on topics.

It's really sort of disturbing in a sad way to think of someone so dense that they sit in their house thinking of the bullshit he does. Then I realize Noxious is an utterly completely average American, and I vomit just a little in my mouth.


And just where, fuckwit, do you get any evidence to call me a "racist" from? I've busted on muslims, but guess what, dickhead? BEING MUSLIM ISN'T A RACE, IT'S A RELIGION!!!

Now fucktards like you, steve jackson, andy hackard and some other PC morons will say that bashing islam is "RACISM!!!" because most muslims are arabs. Well, by your fucktarded logic, hating nazis makes you an anti-white racist because most nazis were white!  

When i bust on islam, I'm busting on a belief, not a race. Now show me any evidence of me making statements against people based on their race, not religion (they're different things, fucktard) or stop calling me a "RACIST!!!'

In other words, put up or shut the fuck up.
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« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2007, 05:40:34 AM »
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For an interesting and valid take on the 'freedom issue" you should read the short story "Cloak of Anarchy" by Larry Niven. It's an example of how bad a thing "total freedom" could be for most people.

For examples of where western society is heading now, read "brave new world" and "1984".....


I hate to disillusion you Dominus but these are fiction.Larry Niven is right wing in his politics, so he is going to make out that if the sonic stunning drones fail then all hell breaks loose.1984 is obviously Orwell's take on communism, which has had its day.
Why not research some stuff on anarchists that did constructive things and actually helped each other in the real world? Or are you too scared or immature to accept that not everyone is a ravening monster waiting to rape/rob/murder you.;)
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« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2007, 09:53:34 AM »
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Seriously, your question is too vague.


Then don't answer it.

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Go post about rpgs, instead of unanswerable vagueness and flaming RPGPundit.


As I understand the terms of usage here I am well with in my rights as a poster to post this. Are you suggesting I shouldn't be allowed to post freely?

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« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2007, 01:18:21 PM »
Seems to me the meaning of "freedom" is relative. I would call the USA a free country, because our people are free to move about with very little restriction, we can badmouth the government and say pretty much anything we want, as long as it doesn't do measurable harm to someone else (heck, even then we might get away with it). We are free to find a do pretty much any type of work we can. We can buy almost anything we want as long as we can afford it. If we can manage to click things into place we can become rich (then, if we play our cards wrong then right, we can lose it and then get it back again). We can love pretty much who we want, and we can live with pretty much who we want.

There are some "freedoms" we don't have, some good, some bad. I like that I'm not free to murder others, abuse children, steal things, etc. I don't agree that homosexual people shouldn't be allowed to marry, or that men don't have more say in aborting a child. I feel the government has too much influence in how businesses are run, and I feel some taxes are against the spirit of our system.

Overall, this is "freedom" from my perspective. Just about anyone else you ask will have a more or less different idea of what the word means, I would think.
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« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2007, 01:36:56 PM »
A kilt.