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Author Topic: Were the Jedi celibate?  (Read 3428 times)

Shrieking Banshee

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« Reply #60 on: May 13, 2020, 05:58:34 PM »
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Can jedi fire the force mega smasher from their chests by screaming "GUYVERRRRR!" ? Odds are its been done in one of the damn books or comics, or will be soon.

No joke one of my pasttimes is ranomly typing a sci fi comcept into the star wars wiki to see if its in star wars.

I typed in 'Winged Cat people'.....There are winged cat people.

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« Reply #61 on: May 14, 2020, 12:15:37 PM »
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There's a deleted scene from AotC and some supplemental material that goes into it--if you leave in good standing (as opposed to falling to the Dark Side or washing out of training), you get numbered among 'the Lost' and remembered with a certain reverence, even getting a bust in the Archives. Apparently there are only twenty such Jedi (counting Dooku) in history, although it's never been clear if that applies to the whole Order or just to Masters.


Interesting! I found it, BTW.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mX5Na9gcDz0
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« Reply #62 on: May 14, 2020, 04:40:35 PM »
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All this vagueness brings up another question I have. What happens when a Jedi quits?

In Star Wars: The Clone Wars, Anakin's apprentice Ahsoka Tano quits the Jedi Order. This happened before she became a full-fledged Jedi, but she is for all intents and purposes fully trained.

I haven't watched the new Clone Wars stuff off of Disney Plus, or tracked down all her appearances in comics, but as far as I know, the short answer is that the Jedi let her go.

This was done primarily to explain why Ahsoka doesn't appear in Episode III: Revenge of the Sith (she was created after the movie), and to allow the character to survive Order 66.

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« Reply #63 on: May 14, 2020, 05:18:27 PM »
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You have to accept the rules put forward in the setting of the world, to judge them within the context of the world itself. You can't apply outside morality to make an inworld judgement. Sure, on the face of it as well, the fact Jedi basically use Child Soldiers, taking their Padawans with them into dangerous situations would be considered horrible by real world standards.

But then we don't live in a world where people are born with magical powers that can hurt everyone around them... and Where the Forces of Good and Evil are tangible.

We know in the rules of the world as it's established, Jedi are Good and Sith are bad.
The internal morality of the prequels isn't even consistent in the slightest. The Jedi are implied to be flawed in some way, but it's unclear what the right policies and choices are supposed to be.

Crucially, the Jedi claim to support democracy, but democracy in the setting is portrayed as dysfunctional. Both Sidious and the Separatists are more popular and successful at democratic negotiation than the Jedi. The Jedi never successfully turn public opinion against any of Gunray, Dooku, Grievous, or Palpatine. When the Separatists appear to be gaining popularity, their solution is always to try to kill the Separatist leader rather than to help people and win more allies to their side. When it is revealed that Palpatine is a Sith, rather than try to get him democratically impeached, they try to assassinate him. It's not even clear that this is their flaw -- it seems implied that allowing them to speak freely would allow them to gain more allies and grow in popularity, so it's best that they be silenced by force.

Even if the setting were consistent, though, that doesn't mean that I can't or shouldn't call out what I'm seeing in real world terms. For example, within the setting, Jar Jar is a popular lovable skamp, whose political speech was well received. That doesn't mean I have to regard him that way, though -- either in a Star Wars game or in how I talk about him.

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« Reply #64 on: May 15, 2020, 03:32:46 PM »
My question would be why didnt the Jedi just go to sperm banks to create force sensitive offspring with no ties to them, to be raised by some foster families. They had clone troopers, why didnt they clone Jedi themselves, why not alien hybrids with super usefull battle utility? I guess they were strepped for time and the vanilla version was just the fastest way to get the buyer happy.

Back to the Jedi question, im pretty sure nobody cared if the Sith were celibate. Why didnt they just drown the galaxy in their disciples? Since im not that familiar with star wars lore its possible it has been covered already. Yes, i know''There are always two, Master and Apprentice''. The clone trooper army was probably what the evil Sith wanted to use as fodder. But i dont believe that doing a big purge with the help of force sensitive dark side users was never considered. I mean its just a matter of numbers.

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« Reply #65 on: May 15, 2020, 06:35:58 PM »
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No joke one of my pasttimes is ranomly typing a sci fi comcept into the star wars wiki to see if its in star wars.

I typed in 'Winged Cat people'.....There are winged cat people.

Try "green carnivorous rabbit people" or "Don Quixote".

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« Reply #66 on: May 15, 2020, 06:44:58 PM »
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My question would be why didnt the Jedi just go to sperm banks to create force sensitive offspring with no ties to them, to be raised by some foster families. They had clone troopers, why didnt they clone Jedi themselves, why not alien hybrids with super usefull battle utility? I guess they were strepped for time and the vanilla version was just the fastest way to get the buyer happy.

Been tried in various media and seems to invariably fail in some disastrous and/or horrific way. Its "unnatural" which seems to be something the force shies away from. The sith just dont care and have played with cloning and breeding pogroms willy nilly.

Pretty much anything we think hasnt been done in Star Wars. Probably HAS been done at some point in some form.

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« Reply #67 on: May 17, 2020, 12:49:45 PM »
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My question would be why didnt the Jedi just go to sperm banks to create force sensitive offspring with no ties to them, to be raised by some foster families. They had clone troopers, why didnt they clone Jedi themselves, why not alien hybrids with super usefull battle utility? I guess they were strepped for time and the vanilla version was just the fastest way to get the buyer happy.

Power? Domination? A Jedi seeks not these things. ;)

They were maneuvered into accepting the clone army in the first place, with much misgivings.

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Back to the Jedi question, im pretty sure nobody cared if the Sith were celibate. Why didnt they just drown the galaxy in their disciples? Since im not that familiar with star wars lore its possible it has been covered already. Yes, i know''There are always two, Master and Apprentice''. The clone trooper army was probably what the evil Sith wanted to use as fodder. But i dont believe that doing a big purge with the help of force sensitive dark side users was never considered. I mean its just a matter of numbers.

The official quote is that the Sith don't spam out disciples because they don't want to share power. But that's during the Clone Wars. I've seen things in Legends where there were armies of evil force users. Star Wars: Legacy had something like that.

I think the standard Sith methodology is to have regular armies with the Sith installed as their overlords.

In Star Wars: Rebels, the Empire employed a cadre of Inquisitors, who were below the level of a true Sith Lord, but useful for terrorizing the population and murdering any fledgling force users that manifested.

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« Reply #68 on: May 17, 2020, 05:15:54 PM »
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I think the standard Sith methodology is to have regular armies with the Sith installed as their overlords.

Which is fitting in a Sauron/Saruman evil wizard and his army of minions way.

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In Star Wars: Rebels, the Empire employed a cadre of Inquisitors, who were below the level of a true Sith Lord, but useful for terrorizing the population and murdering any fledgling force users that manifested.

I liked the Inquisitors from a gaming standpoint. It meant we could have lesser evil force dudes for the PCs to contend with.

Not fond of the flying saber thing.



It's a striking image, but damn goofy at the same time.
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« Reply #69 on: May 17, 2020, 11:26:12 PM »
Its a strikingly stupid image...

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« Reply #70 on: May 18, 2020, 06:09:54 AM »
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Its a strikingly stupid image...

I suggested to someone that they make an Inquisitor that uses one of those spin-bladed double sabers in each hand and goes in "Full Osprey." He was not amused.

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« Reply #71 on: May 18, 2020, 10:40:40 AM »
Oh, I agree about the helicopter lightsabers.

There was a great bit at the end of Rebels Season 1 where the Inquisitor does his rotating blade gimmick, and Kanan simply thrusts into the hub. Chopped off one of the blades, and put an end to that nonsense real quick.

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« Reply #72 on: May 18, 2020, 11:25:55 AM »
It might be interesting to consider the force users from a population dynamic standpoint. With one master, one disciple and the Skywalker legacy, the movies represent the population after a crash. The number of force users almost went extinct, which might be a natural historical cycle. Force use spreads in the population until it reaches a critical level, and then they turn on each other. Horrible infighting, splitting into factions like the Jedi and Sith, and wars of extinction as the most powerful consolidate power and wipe out the rest. Then there's a population bottleneck, followed by a new flowering until a critical mass is achieved again, and the cycle repeats.

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« Reply #73 on: May 18, 2020, 03:28:03 PM »
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It might be interesting to consider the force users from a population dynamic standpoint. With one master, one disciple and the Skywalker legacy, the movies represent the population after a crash. The number of force users almost went extinct, which might be a natural historical cycle. Force use spreads in the population until it reaches a critical level, and then they turn on each other. Horrible infighting, splitting into factions like the Jedi and Sith, and wars of extinction as the most powerful consolidate power and wipe out the rest. Then there's a population bottleneck, followed by a new flowering until a critical mass is achieved again, and the cycle repeats.

As I said, in the EU universe the force is a horrible curse.

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« Reply #74 on: May 21, 2020, 01:28:54 AM »
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I suggested to someone that they make an Inquisitor that uses one of those spin-bladed double sabers in each hand and goes in "Full Osprey." He was not amused.

no no no! They have to hold one in their hands and one with their feet so can go full Chinook. :D