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"Watchmen" - a question or two ....
« on: April 03, 2009, 01:33:19 AM »
I've seen the movie twice - the first week it was out.

I got TWO questions related to it.


The first Saturday night it was out I went to a late night shoeing - around 9:45/ 10pm stat time. I was in a rotten mood when I got to the theater.

The 1st Question : Why the hell or the how the hell did the movie put me in a good mood by the end of it all?? EDIT: It cheered me up. Thats what is weird.


2nd Question: Anybody else think that Dan Drieberg/Nite Owl II was more likable and sympathetic in the movie version than in the Graphic Novel version?



I got a potential partial answer for number 2 - many times a somewhat decent actor can make a character more likable than he is written to be on the page.  There is somnething about the way Wilson plays him that you wanna root for the guy.


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« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2009, 11:00:39 AM »
1. nudity
2. He's easily the most likable character in both versions.
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« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2009, 11:46:42 AM »
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1. nudity
2. He's easily the most likable character in both versions.


Aos,
 You're wrong on the answer to number 1. Read my edit of the original question.
The graphic novel I originally read as the 12 seperate issues over a decade ago - I read them as they were published.  The nuity was not going to surprise me in any way. It always struck me as a somewhat depressing story - not "uipbeat" at all. Yet, afterthe movie version I was cheered up and in a positive mood.


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« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2009, 12:08:57 PM »
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The 1st Question : Why the hell or the how the hell did the movie put me in a good mood by the end of it all?? EDIT: It cheered me up. Thats what is weird.


The sight of Dr. Manhatten's Cheronkov blue wang has the power to cheer up those prone to funks. This has been scientifically proven.


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2nd Question: Anybody else think that Dan Drieberg/Nite Owl II was more likable and sympathetic in the movie version than in the Graphic Novel version?


No.

The lack of a noticeable potbelly makes him Pure Evil in the movie.

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« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2009, 07:51:30 PM »
I think he's easily the most likable character in the book, except for possibly the first Nite Owl.

I still haven't seen the fucking movie yet. Fucking hell.

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« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2009, 11:24:11 PM »
I find Nite Owl in lacking any character traits that make him particularly likable as a character. As some dude to hang out with? Maybe... even surely.  He's 'a swell guy', an okay dude. Inoffensive and he probably buys the beer.  

But as a character: all those things that make him a tolerable buddy make him utterly unlikeable.   And the Pundit and I will go five more rounds over this... watch! ;)

As for the first part: The movie, for all its relenting grimdark ends on a remarkably upbeat tone. Its an illusion, a trick. You spend so much time in shadows, in grit and grim, in murder and pain and mystery that when the final scene plays out with the world bright and shining and everyone holding hands... you release all the tension built up over the play of the entire plot... to include the fucking resolution. That ninety seconds of sunshine and happy people tricks you into thinking you've had the movie equivilent of an orgasm.

If you walked out over Rorschach's corpse, you'd have left feeling a bit more morose, still trapped in shadows and grimdark.
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« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2009, 02:54:03 PM »
Maybe Ed just had a good time at the movies?
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« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2009, 06:12:33 PM »
I was really happy after watching Oldboy.  It had nothing to do with the film's content and everything to do with the fact that I'd just finished watching a quality film.
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« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2009, 11:08:10 PM »
All of you have fallen under the spell of Dr. Manhatten's Cheronkov blue wang.


It makes everyone who sees it all happy inside.

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« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2009, 02:15:14 PM »
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All of you have fallen under the spell of Dr. Manhatten's Cheronkov blue wang.
It makes everyone who sees it all happy inside.
Actually, one of the things I noticed as I was flipping through my TPB the other day is how Moore drew the CBW in such a stylized manner.  In a way, it seemed a further point in how he was even more separated from mundane humanity.  His form was an imitation of humans, but as he grew more distant from the human condition, so too did his form grow more distant from the human structure.

So, it wasn't that I was particularly uncomfortable with the CBW moving semi-realistically (something of an uncanny valley, however), it was the way that his form was still distinctly human.  Freckles, moles, folds and creases on his skin.  I was under the impression that he was a field of energy with a humanoid shape, hence, it wasn't really 'skin' that covered him, any more than he would have had functional, organic internal organs anymore.
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« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2009, 10:24:27 AM »
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I've seen the movie twice - the first week it was out.

I got TWO questions related to it.


The first Saturday night it was out I went to a late night shoeing - around 9:45/ 10pm stat time. I was in a rotten mood when I got to the theater.

The 1st Question : Why the hell or the how the hell did the movie put me in a good mood by the end of it all?? EDIT: It cheered me up. Thats what is weird.


- Ed C.


I was going to guess that the popcorn with extra butter cheered you up but the consensus seems to be that it was the blue wang.

I haven't seen the movie yet but I have a question.  How did they handle the fact that the plot revolves around the cold war?  Did they stay true to the plot of the book or alter it.  I'm not sure how many of the teens going to the movie would know what the hell the cold war was.
 

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« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2009, 11:38:23 AM »
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I think he's easily the most likable character in the book, except for possibly the first Nite Owl.

I still haven't seen the fucking movie yet. Fucking hell.

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« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2009, 11:44:58 PM »
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Actually, one of the things I noticed as I was flipping through my TPB the other day is how Moore drew the CBW in such a stylized manner.
For the sake of accuracy, that was Dave Gibbons with the curious take on the wang, but I imagine that had a lot to do with what they'd let him get away with in 1985 (or today for that matter).

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« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2009, 01:23:03 AM »
Malin Ackernan was in the movie.

 I didn't notice any wang.

It was originally a serious question guys.


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« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2009, 01:38:25 AM »
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For the sake of accuracy, that was Dave Gibbons with the curious take on the wang, but I imagine that had a lot to do with what they'd let him get away with in 1985 (or today for that matter).

And Ed, I'm glad the Great Blue Wang made you happy.

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