Vox Machina - From the Same People Who Brought You Critical Role

Wrath of God · February 09, 2022, 11:20:21 AM

I think it could work as a show, if they took good look at each arc of their campaign, distilled it's essence, check most memorable scenes and check which would work and then plan proper series from it, plan seeds for future arcs in previous ones and so on. I mean for animated shorts they just could... use apparently ton of shorts fans made for CR XD

I get it may be bit harder with Vox Machina considering it went through change of systems, half of it was not recorded, Latinx guy left early in streaming history and so on.

jeff37923 · February 09, 2022, 12:03:38 PM

Quote from: Wrath of God on February 09, 2022, 06:11:39 AM
QuoteAlthough I would like to know how a person can have an informed opinion about a bit of media without experiencing it. If you haven't read a book or watched a movie in the past, then how can you give an informed opinion of that book or movie? Wikipedia?

If you want opinion about piece of media sure watch it (though I regularly read Wikipedia spojlers of blockbusters before watching them, and it works quite well in 95% of examples my feeling after reading synopsis stay exactly the same). But we're not talking about opinion but about stereotype of genre, and basically demnading from other works within genre to submit to your previous experiences, like it was some canon or something. That's why I call nostalgia vice. That's why I hate last Spider-Man movie

Like TBH I read rather darker "medieval" fantasy so cursing in this setting, and excessive violence, and grimdark are kinda natural. I'd say it's goofy part of VM that is more jarring than them swearing.

Bolding mine.

Am I demanding that it correspond to the tropes of the genre? No. Am I saying that it is jarring and breaks the suspension of disbelief for me? Yes.

You are falsely equating a "nostalgia vice" with "does not meet expectations". You are reading into my statement something that isn't there. Those expectations being honed over a 50+ year lifespan of exposure to the fantasy genre.

Now if you get your opinions from reading Wikipedia and then usually not have those opinions change after engaging the media, why bother with the media at all? You could just get the Reader's Digest condensed version or the Cliffs Notes version and save yourself the trouble of spending that money or finding anything nuanced in the material.

Wrath of God · February 09, 2022, 03:08:16 PM

All right, then. Peace between us.

QuoteNow if you get your opinions from reading Wikipedia and then usually not have those opinions change after engaging the media, why bother with the media at all?

A. Curiosity
B. Because watching movies is generally entertaining experience.

SHARK · February 09, 2022, 03:38:09 PM

Quote from: Eirikrautha on February 08, 2022, 08:28:33 PM
Quote from: SHARK on February 08, 2022, 07:53:32 PM
Greetings!

Well, before Laura Bailey started doing Critical Role--she has played the voice of Jaina Proudmore in World of Warfcraft. She also sang the huge song, Daughter of the Sea, as part of the soundtrack for World of Warcraft's expansion, Battle For Azeroth. She's been regularly employed by Blizzard Entertainment for years. Laura Bailey has also performed at Blizz Con, and in concerts around the world with composer Neal Acree. She's world famous, with millions of fans everywhere. In addition to her constant work with World of Warcraft, she has done lots of work for other video game franchises, videos and series shows around the world.

She's no doubt quite wealthy, and owns a fortune.

Not bad for some "Second Rate Actress". I know Pundit has referred to the Critical Role people as second rate--and I'm like, ok. Laura Bailey is fucking world famous, and hugely successful.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Uhhhh, she did some voice work on a video game somehow equals "A-list"? Sorry, Shark, but I think we're using different definitions here. Actually, we're approaching different languages on this point...

Greetings!

Well, not merely "Just some video game"--but the largest and most successful video game franchise in the world.

As for a different language, well, perhaps. I see video games/digital stuff as being its own genre, its own world. Playing animated characters is certainly its own thing from whatever actors do in movies and TV shows. It seems like it is similar, but as an industry, very much its own thing, certainly at this point.

Is Laura Bailey a "Hollywood Actress" No, she isn't. But who cares about that? Beyond that, Laura Bailey doesn't *need* to be involved with Hollywood.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

HappyDaze · February 09, 2022, 04:54:19 PM

Quote from: SHARK on February 09, 2022, 03:38:09 PM
Quote from: Eirikrautha on February 08, 2022, 08:28:33 PM
Quote from: SHARK on February 08, 2022, 07:53:32 PM
Greetings!

Well, before Laura Bailey started doing Critical Role--she has played the voice of Jaina Proudmore in World of Warfcraft. She also sang the huge song, Daughter of the Sea, as part of the soundtrack for World of Warcraft's expansion, Battle For Azeroth. She's been regularly employed by Blizzard Entertainment for years. Laura Bailey has also performed at Blizz Con, and in concerts around the world with composer Neal Acree. She's world famous, with millions of fans everywhere. In addition to her constant work with World of Warcraft, she has done lots of work for other video game franchises, videos and series shows around the world.

She's no doubt quite wealthy, and owns a fortune.

Not bad for some "Second Rate Actress". I know Pundit has referred to the Critical Role people as second rate--and I'm like, ok. Laura Bailey is fucking world famous, and hugely successful.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Uhhhh, she did some voice work on a video game somehow equals "A-list"? Sorry, Shark, but I think we're using different definitions here. Actually, we're approaching different languages on this point...

Greetings!

Well, not merely "Just some video game"--but the largest and most successful video game franchise in the world.

As for a different language, well, perhaps. I see video games/digital stuff as being its own genre, its own world. Playing animated characters is certainly its own thing from whatever actors do in movies and TV shows. It seems like it is similar, but as an industry, very much its own thing, certainly at this point.

Is Laura Bailey a "Hollywood Actress" No, she isn't. But who cares about that? Beyond that, Laura Bailey doesn't *need* to be involved with Hollywood.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

There can certainly be crossovers, and (for example) Mark Hamil is arguably a bigger voice actor than he is a "face" actor.

Wrath of God · February 10, 2022, 02:01:50 PM

I mean face actors are often hired side by side with strictly voice actors but it seems it works only one way. Considering only "real" actor credit of Mercer I can think about is some warlock in Mythica series. You have never heard about Mythica? Exactly.

BoxCrayonTales · February 19, 2022, 06:13:38 PM

It's over now. The cartoon was surprisingly okay. It's nothing amazing and it has no literary value and I'm gonna forget it pretty quick, but it's far better than the overwhelming majority of Japanese D&D cartoons

Pat · February 19, 2022, 06:33:42 PM

I watched it as well. The first episode was far and away the worst, because all the characters came across as insufferable, and I almost stopped watching. But it got better, and watchable, though not great or even particularly good. The animation was fairly impressive. There were a couple action scenes toward the end where they clearly spent more than the average anime.

Omega · February 21, 2022, 04:48:27 AM

Quote from: Pat on February 19, 2022, 06:33:42 PM
I watched it as well. The first episode was far and away the worst, because all the characters came across as insufferable, and I almost stopped watching. But it got better, and watchable, though not great or even particularly good. The animation was fairly impressive. There were a couple action scenes toward the end where they clearly spent more than the average anime.

Its not an anime. Why do people keep calling it that?

Ratman_tf · February 21, 2022, 05:47:31 AM

Quote from: Omega on February 21, 2022, 04:48:27 AM
Quote from: Pat on February 19, 2022, 06:33:42 PM
I watched it as well. The first episode was far and away the worst, because all the characters came across as insufferable, and I almost stopped watching. But it got better, and watchable, though not great or even particularly good. The animation was fairly impressive. There were a couple action scenes toward the end where they clearly spent more than the average anime.

Its not an anime. Why do people keep calling it that?

Because the word, outside Japan, was/is a colloquialism.

Omega · February 24, 2022, 11:10:02 AM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on February 21, 2022, 05:47:31 AM
Quote from: Omega on February 21, 2022, 04:48:27 AM
Quote from: Pat on February 19, 2022, 06:33:42 PM
I watched it as well. The first episode was far and away the worst, because all the characters came across as insufferable, and I almost stopped watching. But it got better, and watchable, though not great or even particularly good. The animation was fairly impressive. There were a couple action scenes toward the end where they clearly spent more than the average anime.

Its not an anime. Why do people keep calling it that?

Because the word, outside Japan, was/is a colloquialism.

Um... No?

Anime refers to Japanese style of animation (and covers alot of Chinese and Korean animation too.

If you say "anime" people are not going to think western styles of animation. (unless that style is very Japanese style, and even then its a coin toss who will or wont."

Pat · February 24, 2022, 12:11:32 PM

Quote from: Omega on February 21, 2022, 04:48:27 AM
Quote from: Pat on February 19, 2022, 06:33:42 PM
I watched it as well. The first episode was far and away the worst, because all the characters came across as insufferable, and I almost stopped watching. But it got better, and watchable, though not great or even particularly good. The animation was fairly impressive. There were a couple action scenes toward the end where they clearly spent more than the average anime.

Its not an anime. Why do people keep calling it that?

Why are you pretending I said that? I compared it to anime, I never said it was anime.

One thing that comes up in a lot of anime reviews is a criticism of visual "shortcuts", like panning over a static shot, or using CGI inserts, instead of fully animating the sequence. Even if the first couple episodes have high production values, there's often a noticeable drop in visual qualify as the series progresses, to save money. The Legend of Vox Whatever on the other hand doesn't show this slippage. In fact, the fight with the vampires toward the end seems to be much higher quality than the CGI dragon at the start of the series, with extensive movement and no apparent CGI.

Pat · February 24, 2022, 12:16:49 PM

Quote from: Omega on February 24, 2022, 11:10:02 AM
Quote from: Ratman_tf on February 21, 2022, 05:47:31 AM
Quote from: Omega on February 21, 2022, 04:48:27 AM
Quote from: Pat on February 19, 2022, 06:33:42 PM
I watched it as well. The first episode was far and away the worst, because all the characters came across as insufferable, and I almost stopped watching. But it got better, and watchable, though not great or even particularly good. The animation was fairly impressive. There were a couple action scenes toward the end where they clearly spent more than the average anime.

Its not an anime. Why do people keep calling it that?

Because the word, outside Japan, was/is a colloquialism.

Um... No?

Anime refers to Japanese style of animation (and covers alot of Chinese and Korean animation too.

If you say "anime" people are not going to think western styles of animation. (unless that style is very Japanese style, and even then its a coin toss who will or wont."

I agree with you on this particular point. Anime does not include Western animation. But since nobody said Vox Machina was anime in the first place, that's like completing a math problem by saying that 3 x 4 is 12, so therefore 12 is the right answer, even though you got the 3 in the first place by incorrectly adding 1 + 1. You're still fundamentally wrong.

Ratman_tf · February 24, 2022, 12:55:19 PM

Quote from: Omega on February 24, 2022, 11:10:02 AM
Quote from: Ratman_tf on February 21, 2022, 05:47:31 AM
Quote from: Omega on February 21, 2022, 04:48:27 AM
Quote from: Pat on February 19, 2022, 06:33:42 PM
I watched it as well. The first episode was far and away the worst, because all the characters came across as insufferable, and I almost stopped watching. But it got better, and watchable, though not great or even particularly good. The animation was fairly impressive. There were a couple action scenes toward the end where they clearly spent more than the average anime.

Its not an anime. Why do people keep calling it that?

Because the word, outside Japan, was/is a colloquialism.

Um... No?

Anime refers to Japanese style of animation (and covers alot of Chinese and Korean animation too.

If you say "anime" people are not going to think western styles of animation. (unless that style is very Japanese style, and even then its a coin toss who will or wont."

"In Japan and in Japanese, anime (a term derived from the English word animation) describes all animated works, regardless of style or origin."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime

I agree that most western people are going to think of a particular style of japanese animation when they hear the word Anime.
But is this anime? It's japanese animation.

I remember when "anime" was called Japanimation. It is a colloquialism that has widespread use, but it's always been a bit fuzzy at the edges. Especially now that a lot of western animation copies anime. And even back when there was some question about animation outsourced to japan (or china or korea) for western studios.

BoxCrayonTales · February 24, 2022, 12:57:58 PM

Now that the season is concluded, how do you think it compares to Goblin Slayer?