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Author Topic: Vox Machina - From the Same People Who Brought You Critical Role  (Read 6552 times)

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Re: Vox Machina - From the Same People Who Brought You Critical Role
« Reply #30 on: February 08, 2022, 10:24:30 AM »
Ditto. It might even be *gasp* better than Goblin Slayer. Heresy! I must visit my local confessor for a flogging!

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« Reply #31 on: February 08, 2022, 03:15:26 PM »
Ditto. It might even be *gasp* better than Goblin Slayer. Heresy! I must visit my local confessor for a flogging!

No, it definitely is not better than Goblin Slayer.

Maybe as good as Dungeons & Dragons: Wrath of the Dragon God, but not better than Goblin Slayer.
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« Reply #32 on: February 08, 2022, 03:21:33 PM »
I don't mind the use of the word fuck, but the context matters.  Kind of like every other word people use, it can be used well, or poorly used.  Based on the quality of what I have experience from these people before, it seems like the fake edgy kind of use of the word fuck that just makes you feel sad for the writers.

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« Reply #33 on: February 08, 2022, 03:49:01 PM »
I don't mind the use of the word fuck, but the context matters.  Kind of like every other word people use, it can be used well, or poorly used.  Based on the quality of what I have experience from these people before, it seems like the fake edgy kind of use of the word fuck that just makes you feel sad for the writers.
I felt that way when cartoon characters overused the word "smurf" for every-damn-thing.

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Re: Vox Machina - From the Same People Who Brought You Critical Role
« Reply #34 on: February 08, 2022, 04:39:13 PM »
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Now tell me all the times "fuck" is used in medieval fantasy media over the last few decades.

Well for instance in Game of Thrones / Song of Ice and Fire quite a lot.
Besides why would last few decades dictate any... tradition? Few decades is like... nothing.


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Yeah, it is meta because Vox Machina is a medieval fantasy cartoon based on a group of players paid to act like they are having fun playing D&D in an attempt to maximize the advertisement budget of WotC/Hasbro. So instead, the cartoon ends up looking like a bunch of cosplayers trying to tell an episodic story.

There are many bad things i can say about CR guys but "acting that they are having fun" is IMHO straight dishonest. I mean they survived playing off-screen on mind-numbing mathematic mess that is Pathfinder 1e, that demands some genuine love :P And of course even that aside there's nothing really medieval about this setting. If I'd have to pinpoint this utter mess of setting I'd say Reneissance-Early Modern but even that's a stretch.

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Now with "fuck" out of the way, I watched the next block of three episodes of Vox Machina (night shift induced insomnia, you are a bitch). These episodes were not nearly as repulsive as the previous three, some parts were actually engaging - especially the undead attacks. The gnome bard was still annoying, but had fewer lines.

Yeah. AFAIU they decided to make season 1 about gunslinger's backstory arc, but for some reason they put blue dragon intro... I have no idea why. It was narratively just disjointed. If anything I think they could safely make entire season out of both, rather than stuck this one as prologue for some reason.

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« Reply #35 on: February 08, 2022, 05:41:29 PM »
Ditto. It might even be *gasp* better than Goblin Slayer. Heresy! I must visit my local confessor for a flogging!

No, it definitely is not better than Goblin Slayer.

Maybe as good as Dungeons & Dragons: Wrath of the Dragon God, but not better than Goblin Slayer.
I think everything is garbage, but as garbage goes VM is slightly better in certain ways. Mostly just because it doesn’t use those asinine anime tropes. It’s still cliché and generic as fuck, it’s tonally incoherent, overly reliant on shock value to the point it loses impact quickly, the humor is puerile in the extreme, but it’s slightly better than every non-satirical D&D-inspired anime that came out since 2010. The female adventurers actually serve a purpose other than forming a harem around Percy (the closest thing the show has to a central male protagonist right now). There’s actually a structured plot rather than meandering nonsense that goes nowhere because web novels are made up on the fly. Not a high bar. Not high praise.

It’s not even remotely as good as some of the low budget live action D&D webshows I’ve seen, like Standard Action.

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« Reply #36 on: February 08, 2022, 07:38:01 PM »
Besides why would last few decades dictate any... tradition? Few decades is like... nothing.

The last few decades are when we grew up and formed our opinions on medieval fantasy. Seems like a commonality that we would share.




There are many bad things i can say about CR guys but "acting that they are having fun" is IMHO straight dishonest. I mean they survived playing off-screen on mind-numbing mathematic mess that is Pathfinder 1e, that demands some genuine love :P And of course even that aside there's nothing really medieval about this setting. If I'd have to pinpoint this utter mess of setting I'd say Reneissance-Early Modern but even that's a stretch.


I'm not being dishonest. I truly believe that these are a bunch of second-rate actors who found a paying gig by acting like they are gaming nerds enjoying a game. Nothing dishonest about it.

As to your quibble about the setting not being medieval, it's a D&D setting. If anything, it is a hodge-podge kitchen sink of a setting mess designed to cater to D&D players. Nothing else.
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« Reply #37 on: February 08, 2022, 07:38:50 PM »

I think everything is garbage

Well, that ends that conversation.
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« Reply #38 on: February 08, 2022, 07:44:27 PM »
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The last few decades are when we grew up and formed our opinions on medieval fantasy. Seems like a commonality that we would share.

Ergo sentiment and nostalgia, two greatest vice of men :P

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I'm not being dishonest. I truly believe that these are a bunch of second-rate actors who found a paying gig by acting like they are gaming nerds enjoying a game. Nothing dishonest about it.

I think it's wrong belief, from my exp with their actual sessions, won't argue about their rate-dness as I know jackshit about voice actors aside of Troy Baker being S-Class.
Playing 3 years on Pathfinder for free, without cams is per se proof of actual dedication.

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As to your quibble about the setting not being medieval, it's a D&D setting. If anything, it is a hodge-podge kitchen sink of a setting mess designed to cater to D&D players. Nothing else.

Indeed as most of them. But for various reasons most of them drift more to quasi-Reneissance, than quasi-Medieval at least if look at things continentally.

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« Reply #39 on: February 08, 2022, 07:53:32 PM »
Greetings!

Well, before Laura Bailey started doing Critical Role--she has played the voice of Jaina Proudmore in World of Warfcraft. She also sang the huge song, Daughter of the Sea, as part of the soundtrack for World of Warcraft's expansion, Battle For Azeroth. She's been regularly employed by Blizzard Entertainment for years. Laura Bailey has also performed at Blizz Con, and in concerts around the world with composer Neal Acree. She's world famous, with millions of fans everywhere. In addition to her constant work with World of Warcraft, she has done lots of work for other video game franchises, videos and series shows around the world.

She's no doubt quite wealthy, and owns a fortune.

Not bad for some "Second Rate Actress". I know Pundit has referred to the Critical Role people as second rate--and I'm like, ok. Laura Bailey is fucking world famous, and hugely successful.

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« Reply #40 on: February 08, 2022, 08:28:33 PM »
Greetings!

Well, before Laura Bailey started doing Critical Role--she has played the voice of Jaina Proudmore in World of Warfcraft. She also sang the huge song, Daughter of the Sea, as part of the soundtrack for World of Warcraft's expansion, Battle For Azeroth. She's been regularly employed by Blizzard Entertainment for years. Laura Bailey has also performed at Blizz Con, and in concerts around the world with composer Neal Acree. She's world famous, with millions of fans everywhere. In addition to her constant work with World of Warcraft, she has done lots of work for other video game franchises, videos and series shows around the world.

She's no doubt quite wealthy, and owns a fortune.

Not bad for some "Second Rate Actress". I know Pundit has referred to the Critical Role people as second rate--and I'm like, ok. Laura Bailey is fucking world famous, and hugely successful.

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Uhhhh, she did some voice work on a video game somehow equals "A-list"?  Sorry, Shark, but I think we're using different definitions here.  Actually, we're approaching different languages on this point...

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« Reply #41 on: February 08, 2022, 09:12:02 PM »
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The last few decades are when we grew up and formed our opinions on medieval fantasy. Seems like a commonality that we would share.

Ergo sentiment and nostalgia, two greatest vice of men :P

Obvious troll is obvious.

Although I would like to know how a person can have an informed opinion about a bit of media without experiencing it. If you haven't read a book or watched a movie in the past, then how can you give an informed opinion of that book or movie? Wikipedia?
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« Reply #42 on: February 09, 2022, 12:03:50 AM »
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The last few decades are when we grew up and formed our opinions on medieval fantasy. Seems like a commonality that we would share.

Ergo sentiment and nostalgia, two greatest vice of men :P

Obvious troll is obvious.

Although I would like to know how a person can have an informed opinion about a bit of media without experiencing it. If you haven't read a book or watched a movie in the past, then how can you give an informed opinion of that book or movie? Wikipedia?
We could always ask those posters here that have strongly voiced their "informed" opinions on every new D&D product without actually reading them...

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« Reply #43 on: February 09, 2022, 06:11:39 AM »
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Although I would like to know how a person can have an informed opinion about a bit of media without experiencing it. If you haven't read a book or watched a movie in the past, then how can you give an informed opinion of that book or movie? Wikipedia?

If you want opinion about piece of media sure watch it (though I regularly read Wikipedia spojlers of blockbusters before watching them, and it works quite well in 95% of examples my feeling after reading synopsis stay exactly the same). But we're not talking about opinion but about stereotype of genre, and basically demnading from other works within genre to submit to your previous experiences, like it was some canon or something. That's why I call nostalgia vice. That's why I hate last Spider-Man movie ;)

Like TBH I read rather darker "medieval" fantasy so cursing in this setting, and excessive violence, and grimdark are kinda natural. I'd say it's goofy part of VM that is more jarring than them swearing.

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She's no doubt quite wealthy, and owns a fortune.

Not bad for some "Second Rate Actress". I know Pundit has referred to the Critical Role people as second rate--and I'm like, ok. Laura Bailey is fucking world famous, and hugely successful.

Let's say it that way - voice acting is well payed job, and all CR actors were not nearly jobless. So yeah they are definitely way beyond A-list actors (tbh most of voice actors are failed regular actors, who found their niche, but that's OK). But they are still well kinda what's the word one step below rich... in terms of overall society... wealthy?
How they rate among voice actors I have no idea. They are rather not in Nicholas Cage or Bruce Willis washed-up situation to do anything for money.

If I'd have to guess at beginning it was more about some fame factor, and free advertisement as voice actors than about incredible Twitch money. Then... then it's another story.

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« Reply #44 on: February 09, 2022, 09:17:44 AM »
Honestly, I think it would work better as a series of shorts, not an ongoing show.

What the hell is with the 'second rate actors' jibe though? Yeah, voice acting has always been a second banana to the actual get-in-front-of-the-camera types, but so what?

Again, people paid for it with that Kickstarter. Whether it'll be worth it or not is another story.