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Update: Insanity defense possibility for Church shooter

Started by Koltar, August 20, 2008, 07:04:23 PM

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jswa

#30
August 21, 2008, 01:23:55 PM Last Edit: August 21, 2008, 02:08:05 PM by jswa
Quote from: CavScout;237867Lorena Bobbitt was found "not guilty by reasons of insanity" and spent a whole three months in a facility before being released.

That must've really fucked with your male pride.

She cut off some dude's dick, so she should've been jailed for fucking life!!!

Also: She called 9-11 and told 'em where to find the man's little buddy and they sewed it back on real nice.

I'm making a call for better examples to illustrate posts from e'erybody!

shewolf

#31
August 21, 2008, 01:52:49 PM
Quote from: Pseudoephedrine;238020Americans have different and weird standards for the insanity defense. Up here in Canada for the insanity defense to work you have to be so crazy that you can no longer recognise the action was wrong, or be unable to appreciate the "quality and nature of the act". There's no such thing as "temporary insanity" - anyone who uses the defense of insanity successfully used to be indefinitely confined to the Penetanguishene institute for the criminally insane, and now is normally committed to Penetang for the length of their sentence had they been found guilty (at least), and then released with monitoring comparable to parole or probation.

This makes people much less likely to claim the defense frivolously.

Temporary insanity IIRC is more along the lines of something happened that puts a person so far over the edge that a response like murder becomes logical at the time. Like a crime of passion.

Wikipedia : Title 18, U.S. Code, Section 17, states that a person accused of a crime can be judged not guilty by reason of insanity if "the defendant, as a result of a severe mental disease or defect, was unable to appreciate the nature and quality or the wrongfulness of his acts."

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#32
August 21, 2008, 01:58:50 PM
Quote from: CavScout;237867No, he just gets unsupervised visits where he can leave the facility with no supervision. So he can hang with mom and dad amongst the rest of us. Not exactly prision.

Maybe.  Again, no institution wants to be the one that lets the guy on an unsupervised visit where he goes and does something horrible.

Quote from: CavScout;237867Lorena Bobbitt was found "not guilty by reasons of insanity" and spent a whole three months in a facility before being released.

How many wangers has she snipped off since then?  Also, anecdote does not equal data.
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Pseudoephedrine

#33
August 21, 2008, 01:59:44 PM
Quote from: shewolf;238084Temporary insanity IIRC is more along the lines of something happened that puts a person so far over the edge that a response like murder becomes logical at the time. Like a crime of passion.

Wikipedia : Title 18, U.S. Code, Section 17, states that a person accused of a crime can be judged not guilty by reason of insanity if "the defendant, as a result of a severe mental disease or defect, was unable to appreciate the nature and quality or the wrongfulness of his acts."

It's temporary insanity in particular I'm thinking of. No such defense exists in Canadian law. It is referred to as "losing one's temper".
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#34
August 21, 2008, 02:01:06 PM
Quote from: shewolf;238084Temporary insanity IIRC is more along the lines of something happened that puts a person so far over the edge that a response like murder becomes logical at the time. Like a crime of passion.

A crime of passion is not an example of temporary insanity.

Your doctor prescribes three different medications for you, and forgets to check their interactions, and the combination of two causes crushing despair and depression.  Convinced that life is not worth living, and that all of your children are the devil, you drown your infant baby in the sink before making a failed attempt at suicide.  As you recover in the hospital, doctors realize the cause of your intense depression and clear the drugs from your system.  Finally thinking clearly for the first time in weeks, you are struck by the terribleness of your crimes and you plead temporary insanity.

That's why the defense exists.
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CavScout

#35
August 21, 2008, 02:11:40 PM
Quote from: jswa;238064That must've really fucked with your male pride.

She cut off some dude's dick, so she should've been jailed for fucking life!!!

Also: She called 9-11 and told 'em where to find the man's little buddy and they sewed it back on real nice.

I'm making a call for better examples to illustrate posts from e'erybody!

Impressive rant; you really beat the crap out of those straw men you set up for yourself. Congratulations.
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jswa

#36
August 21, 2008, 02:15:45 PM
Quote from: CavScout;238101Impressive rant; you really beat the crap out of those straw men you set up for yourself. Congratulations.

I think straw man is CavScout's favorite phrase.

CavScout

#37
August 21, 2008, 02:15:53 PM
Quote from: NotYourMonkey;238088Maybe.  Again, no institution wants to be the one that lets the guy on an unsupervised visit where he goes and does something horrible.

He is on unsupervised visits...

QuoteHow many wangers has she snipped off since then?

Relevant how?

QuoteAlso, anecdote does not equal data.

Is that how you dismiss data that does jive with your perception?
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#38
August 21, 2008, 02:18:05 PM
Quote from: jswa;238110I think straw man is CavScout's favorite phrase.

Just calling it as I see it. Maybe you should work on responding to what people actually say and not what you simply want to respond to.
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jswa

#39
August 21, 2008, 02:20:33 PM
Quote from: CavScout;238114Just calling it as I see it. Maybe you should work on responding to what people actually say and not what you simply want to respond to.

This is the internetz, my friend. People only respond to what they want to respond to.

I was just refuting your example as irrelevant to the overall point is all. There are people here better qualified to do the rest.

CavScout

#40
August 21, 2008, 02:30:58 PM
Quote from: jswa;238119This is the internetz, my friend. People only respond to what they want to respond to.

I was just refuting your example as irrelevant to the overall point is all. There are people here better qualified to do the rest.

You didn't refute anything. You ranted about something that wasn't even said.
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jswa

#41
August 21, 2008, 02:40:24 PM
Quote from: CavScout;238134You didn't refute anything. You ranted about something that wasn't even said.

Holy shit. If that isn't doublespeak I don't know what is.

(The topic being someone who shot up a church using the insanity defense)
CS: People who use the insanity defense can be released
Me: Well he shot up a church, so it's not likely
CS: Lorena Bobbit was released after two months
Me: WTF!? How is that even relevant!?
CS: Psh. Straw men or whatevr.
Me: !?!?
CS: I didn't even say anything about Lorena Bobbit.

StormBringer

#42
August 21, 2008, 02:41:41 PM
Quote from: CavScout;238134You didn't refute anything. You ranted about something that wasn't even said.
You can chant that mantra as much as you want, the point is you are a stupid douchebag that refuses to understand that you make virtually unsupportable points, then back them up with anecdotes.

Even if you were to stumble upon a vaild point by accident, it would be drowned out by the unadulterated pile of stupid and bad argument you bury it under.
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CavScout

#43
August 21, 2008, 05:45:39 PM
You two lovers or something?

Seriously.
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StormBringer

#44
August 21, 2008, 05:51:55 PM
Quote from: CavScout;238288You two lovers or something?

Seriously.
Oh, a homosexual joke!  Does your wit ever begin?
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