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Author Topic: Uncle Ron Strikes Again: "the Fantasy Heartbreaker"  (Read 9758 times)

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Uncle Ron Strikes Again: "the Fantasy Heartbreaker"
« on: December 21, 2008, 05:11:25 am »
Over on rpgnet, the term "Fantasy Heartbreaker" is discussed, and in my eyes, it's often (though not always) used as a term of condescension and contempt. On the thread, Edwards shows up, and subtly tries to get a poster banned for both his critique of the essay, and his interpretation of what "Fantasy Heartbreaker" actually means. But don't take my word for it. Check it out.

http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?t=429859&page=6

I read the "Fantasy Heartbreaker" essay, and it came across as rather condescending to me. I've read it before, and normally wouldn't care, but Ronnie's response to the lone voice of dissent on that thread irked me a bit. Oh, well. :(

A link to the essay:

http://www.indie-rpgs.com/articles/9/

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Uncle Ron Strikes Again: "the Fantasy Heartbreaker"
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2008, 05:41:53 am »
Sorry, dude. As much as i like Ronny bashing threads, i'm struggling to find a reason why this belongs in the RPG forum. Especially as it's a reaction to a thread on another board.

Moved.

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« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2008, 06:10:31 am »
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Sorry, dude. As much as i like Ronny bashing threads, i'm struggling to find a reason why this belongs in the RPG forum. Especially as it's a reaction to a thread on another board.

Moved.

Fair enough. :)

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« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2008, 06:13:52 am »
Uncle Ronny's posting outside his backyard now? I thought he only had accounts on the forums so that if anyone called him "just a professor of bat penises" he could report them to the mods for a personal attack.

If he's going to post outside his little circle of mutual masturbators, he really ought to come on over here where he can enjoy a full and frank discussion of his ideas.

Anyway, those idiots all got the idea wrong. A "fantasy heartbreaker" is any fantasy game which is more interesting and fun than anything Ron Edwards has written. Which is to say, all of them.
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« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2008, 06:22:34 am »
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Uncle Ronny's posting outside his backyard now? I thought he only had accounts on the forums so that if anyone called him "just a professor of bat penises" he could report them to the mods for a personal attack.



I've only ever seen 2 posts of his over there. Each one was basicaly trying to get a sanction against a poster who didn't agree with him and his dribble.

Must really suck for him not being able to stifle debate and dissenting views.

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« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2008, 06:36:27 am »
Indie games are great and innovative of course, but traditional games are respected and playable. Which one's best?

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« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2008, 06:37:29 am »
He must be pretty weak-minded. I mean, a lot of people when you argue with them it just makes them think of more reasons to think as they do. The more you bash their ideas the more tightly they hold them.

Or sometimes they see a flaw or two and change their mind. Which hey, that's not a bad thing, no-one died from it.

But I guess when you've built a house of cards you fear every breath of wind.
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« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2008, 07:22:31 am »
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But I guess when you've built a house of cards you fear every breath of wind.


Dunno why it's even discussed. It's about as important as Marathon bars having their name changed to Snickers bars.

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« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2008, 07:42:42 am »
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But I guess when you've built a house of cards you fear every breath of wind.



Kyle, you're a poet.:)
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« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2008, 09:31:19 am »
Excellent post on RPGnet, Sacrificial Lamb.
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« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2008, 10:50:05 am »
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Excellent post on RPGnet, Sacrificial Lamb.

My post?! Oh, thanks, Jong. :)

I guess he got me a bit riled up, especially after "E" (the dissenting poster) was labeled (and castigated) as some form of "anti-Forgite" or something for saying that the "heartbreak" was really that of the reviewer of a "Heartbreaker", and not that of the game designer.

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« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2008, 10:59:25 am »
I posted this on another, similarly titled thread a few months earlier on RPGnet:

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Here's a new term:

The Thespian's Ballbreaker

Def: Any rpg designed and published with the express purpose of demonstrating the author's ideological superiority in less than 150 pages. Poor (or no) sales should never be construed to imply any weakness in the Ballbreaker itself - rather, it is a reflection on the lack of intelligence in the gaming community at large. Popular genres such as fantasy, science fiction or horror may appear in a Ballbreaker only if all standard genre conventions are either presented as A) ironic commentaries on the stupidity of the genre or B) cunningly reversed to conform to the author's own post-modern political, sexual, or occult agenda.

Example: Sorceror

I think it's time to whip that one out again. Would it qualify as a personal attack?? Let's see.
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« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2008, 12:33:19 pm »
Ah, and just to add spice to this thread, I note that, right beneath Ron's post,  Old Geezer is pushing his way to the front of the queue to suck moderator dick.

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« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2008, 01:35:23 pm »
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I posted this on another, similarly titled thread a few months earlier on RPGnet:



I think it's time to whip that one out again. Would it qualify as a personal attack?? Let's see.
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« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2008, 02:57:44 pm »
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Ah, and just to add spice to this thread, I note that, right beneath Ron's post,  Old Geezer is pushing his way to the front of the queue to suck moderator dick.


I generally like OG, but he has a terrible thing about kissing mod ass at every opportunity.  It always annoyed the shit out of me at TBP because he'd deflect all site criticism with that whole "the mods work hard and are unappreciated" crap at every opportunity.  You know what, fuck them; fuck them right in the ass.

As for Ron Edwards, his whole heartbreaker thing is retarded, much like the man himself.  Like most things Forge, they make sure and define the parameters so narrow as to exclude anything that would invalidate his claim (like taking out older games and nostalgia clones, which essentially just leaves a handfull of games that, like Sorcerer, almost no one has ever heard of).
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