Just to contribute to our mysoginistic reputation, I want to state here and now that I'd be glad to meet Shewolf's hubby in the squared circle for the right to adore her.

(insert "Star Trek" fight music here)

LOL

Do I get to be dragged off the prize table by my hair too?

ETA: You realize this is why I don't count in women's rights arguments? I can handle a joke!

Oh, no, I fully expect you to throw yourself at my feet and gaze adoringly upwards at my... physique ... as I heft a sword heavenward.

..either that Or I toss her a betleh' and a klingon tunic and she can do her own fighting.

- Ed

Quote from: RPGPundit;229473...over on the thread about RPG.net's thread about us, Kyle suggested that something about the nature of moderation here essentially removes 50% of our potential user base.

An insight he stole from me and did not credit.

I didn't credit you because I don't agree. I don't believe it's the moderation, it's the users who really set the tone of any website; and it's the tone which attracts or puts off certain groups of people.

This is especially true on a low-moderation website such as ours. If on rpg.net or SJGames they get a lot of fucksticks the mods are at least partly to blame, since they strongly control the content of people's posts by proscription and encouragement of mobbing. Here, we say whatever stupid things we want to, so we're entirely responsible for the tone of the site.

I always subscribe to the dictum that is better to stay silent and be believed a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt.

Speakin' as a fool, of course.

Now, that said, I can't imagine that any female worth her salt couldn't join our fair forum and hold her own. To be honest, unless they hang a sign on their "neck" saying they are a girl - how would we know? And more importantly - what the hell difference would it make?

Kyle Aaron, its simpler than that .

 Jacalope doesn't deserve credit because such comments and observations were made BEFORE he ever registered on this forum.

 SJG forums actually has a pretty good percentage of women posters on there.  At least two or three of their moderators are women.


- Ed C.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;230185I didn't credit you because I don't agree. I don't believe it's the moderation, it's the users who really set the tone of any website; and it's the tone which attracts or puts off certain groups of people.

The "tone" of any unmoderated board devoted to a primarily male subject matter, such as role-playing games, is going to skew towards the tone of this place: a place where people get called on spurious bullshit.  Because guys thrive on macho bullshit like challenging each other and establishing pecking orders.

Women, as a general rule, avoid places where people get called on spurious bullshit.

Pundit and Werekoala are partially right: there is no inherent reason that women shouldn't be able to thrive in an environment like this, but with only occasional exceptions, we won't see it happen.  Women of our generation are too spoiled, too used to hearing how they are the equal of any man, but still largely uncomprehending what equality means in a meritocracy.  Women of our generation can't imagine that anyone would tell them that they are full of shit, and when it happens, they can only assume that either the person saying they are full of shit is trying to hurt their feelings (so they demand moderation), or is a sexist who is only discounting their opinion because they are a woman (so they demand moderation).

But you can't thrive in an environment like this, where anyone is free to call you on your shit, if you can't tolerate being called on your shit.  And between the girl power empowerment rah-rah cheerleading in the media, and the feminist defense of the inherent validity of women's opinions being used to justify not thinking before speaking, and the tendency of men to play white knight and ride to the rescue of any woman who gets imperiled intellectually, and the generally tendency of guys to not call women on their shit in real life, most women have so little experience with being called on their shit, they can't handle it.  At all.

Witness rpg.net.  Or the WOTC forum.  Or a zillion other places.

Aw hell, there he goes again.....

You Can't Silence The Truth!

ETA: What the hell?  Why can't I type in all caps?

Dammit, how am I supposed to properly express my Seething Rage and become properly Unhinged if I can't type in ALL CAPS?

B A S T A R D S ! ! !

EDIT2: What the fuck?  So I can type ALL CAPS in all caps, but I can't type YOU CAN'T SILENCE THE TRUTH?

WHO THE FUCK WROTE THIS SOFTWARE AND WHO DO I TALK TO ABOUT KICKING HIS ASS?

Quote from: Jackalope;230198The "tone" of any unmoderated board devoted to a primarily male subject matter, such as role-playing games, is going to skew towards the tone of this place: a place where people get called on spurious bullshit.  Because guys thrive on macho bullshit like challenging each other and establishing pecking orders.

Women, as a general rule, avoid places where people get called on spurious bullshit.

Pundit and Werekoala are partially right: there is no inherent reason that women shouldn't be able to thrive in an environment like this, but with only occasional exceptions, we won't see it happen.  Women of our generation are too spoiled, too used to hearing how they are the equal of any man, but still largely uncomprehending what equality means in a meritocracy.  Women of our generation can't imagine that anyone would tell them that they are full of shit, and when it happens, they can only assume that either the person saying they are full of shit is trying to hurt their feelings (so they demand moderation), or is a sexist who is only discounting their opinion because they are a woman (so they demand moderation).

But you can't thrive in an environment like this, where anyone is free to call you on your shit, if you can't tolerate being called on your shit.  And between the girl power empowerment rah-rah cheerleading in the media, and the feminist defense of the inherent validity of women's opinions being used to justify not thinking before speaking, and the tendency of men to play white knight and ride to the rescue of any woman who gets imperiled intellectually, and the generally tendency of guys to not call women on their shit in real life, most women have so little experience with being called on their shit, they can't handle it.  At all.

Witness rpg.net.  Or the WOTC forum.  Or a zillion other places.

wow.
are you related to Frank Miller in any way?

Quote from: RPGPunditWomen here will neither be given any special treatment for being women, nor will anyone attacking them on the basis of their gender be tolerated any more than attacking someone on the basis of their race (or yes, even their sexual preferences) would be tolerated.

I consider Jackalope's post an attack on women.

Quote from: Stuart;230244I consider Jackalope's post an attack on women.

Come to think of it, his tone vaguely reminds me of the rants over at the WotC boards, on how "girls ruin D&D" by "whining to get their way."

Quote from: Koltar;230146..either that Or I toss her a betleh' and a klingon tunic and she can do her own fighting.

- Ed

That I could handle!

Quote from: Stuart;230244I consider Jackalope's post an attack on women.

Nah. I mean, can I fault my 6 year old nephew for spewing the same hate his father does? Can I fault my SIL's kids for being young earth creationists when that's what they are taught (ages 7-3)?

Kids can't be blamed for their lack of world knowledge. Just pat him on the head and send him out to play in the yard. The grownups can have coffee and chat.