Madame Web

[Darrin Kelley]

I just finished this movie. I enjoyed this movie. I had fun with this movie. I don't feel as my time with it was wasted.

And I do not see what the critics were talking about when they called it a bad movie.

[HappyDaze]

Not sure why, but I got a laugh out of the stolen cab that she ripped the license plate off, drove around NYC a day, parked it at an airport for a few more days, then came back and it was there waiting for her to drive it around some more.

[Ratman_tf]

I don't know what the critics are saying because as someone who really liked the Marvel superhero movies  at first, I checked out around the time of Ant Man.

I feel like the genre was beaten into the ground and the Marvel films started to all look the same and retread the same story beats. I stuck around for Endgame, which I think was a complete wet fart of a wrap up to the story they had been building. After that, I stopped watching.

So yeah, Madame Web could be a great movie, but I'm super saturated with the Marvel Disney stuff, and only have an opinion and comment because I did like the "first wave" of their stuff.

[Darrin Kelley]

I also have an issue with people calling female-led superhero movies "woke". Some of Marvel's greatest and most reprinted comics are female-led. So what I am seeing in that is pretty sexist.

The most revered run of Marvel's X-Men was very female-focused. So I'm wondering is these critics even know the properties they are talking about.

It shouldn't matter what sex the hero is. It should only matter whether it is a good movie or not.

[Corolinth]

Ah, I see. You are confused.

Having a female lead doesn't make a novel, TV show, comic book, or movie woke. Not having any story to speak of, or having a shitty story, and expecting the audience to fawn all over the novel, TV show, comic book, or movie anyway because of how stunning and brave it is to have a female lead is what makes the project woke.

Disrespecting the source material and changing it for a Modern Audience is woke. Calling fans of the original source material istophobic for objecting to your changes is woke. You see, fans are the reason why the original source material was popular in the first place, and the entire reason why the studio thinks they can make money off of the movie. The studio owes it to the fans to make their movie as faithful to the original source material as possible, and not change it to reflect Current Year political sensibilities.

This may mean that you can't make Galadriel an Action Girl who can fight anyone a man can fight, as well as a man can fight, while wearing heels. It might mean that a tiny little mountain town like Emond's Field can't have The Diversity. It might mean that you can't make Mar-Vell a woman, or that Carol Danvers has to wear the black leotard with the lightning bolt. It might mean that Mary Jane Watson has to be a white girl with red hair. Maybe it means that you can't make Glimmer body-positive. It might mean that Daphne and Velma can't be lesbians. It might mean you can't make Teela the main character. Just exactly what it means to not change the original source material for Current Year political sensibilities changes depending on what IP you're talking about, so it behooves someone to actually know something about the IP and to read it, rather than boast about how not reading the original source material was considered a virtue in the writer's room.

The way that you know someone is woke shitstain is when they start throwing around accusations of istophobia whenever critics point out that they fucked up an established IP to pander to the Modern Audience and their Current Year politics.

[Ratman_tf]

I also have an issue with people calling female-led superhero movies "woke". Some of Marvel's greatest and most reprinted comics are female-led. So what I am seeing in that is pretty sexist.

The most revered run of Marvel's X-Men was very female-focused. So I'm wondering is these critics even know the properties they are talking about.

It shouldn't matter what sex the hero is. It should only matter whether it is a good movie or not.

On the flip side, it's become popular to deflect criticism of a bad film or a bad actress with accusations of sexism. Studios even court this kind of 'outrage bait" to drum up interest in what would otherwise be an unremarkable film. Every critic of the current wokeisms in films I've heard usually point out a good female character or story to provide contrast.