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Author Topic: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)  (Read 2657 times)

Lurkndog

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Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
« Reply #60 on: June 25, 2022, 03:22:21 PM »
It's Saturday, spoilers are now allowed.
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Oh, look! A completely unconvincing starship chase. Where have I seen that before?

It's especially bad because the opening of Star Wars Episode IV did the same scene so much better. Both in cinematography, and in music, and in just overall believability.

Remember when star destroyers were fast, and could shoot straight? And were equipped with tractor beams and fighters?

I did kinda like the shuttle Obi-wan took off in. Having the engines tuck into the fuselage once it landed was neat, and made sense. 

I also liked the scene where Owen and Beru talk about defending their home.

I like Haja Estree, the fake Jedi with a heart of gold. At first glance, pretending to be a Jedi seems like a suicidally bad idea in a universe run by the Empire. But if the powers that be know you're a fake, and don't just shoot you on sight, then it just might let you attract the attention of any real Jedi, and hustle them along the underground railroad before the Empire spots them. It's probably not going to be a long career, but if you want to be a hero...

Not a super big fan of the showdown between Kenobi and Vader. Kenobi gets buried alive, then a couple minutes later he's back and all of a sudden he's ten times stronger. The shot of Anakin staring out of Vader's helmet is a good one, but Star Wars Rebels did it first and better. 

What I really don't like is how the show stomps all over Star Wars continuity. It seems clear in Episode IV that Kenobi and Vader haven't faced each other before. Even the dialog between them robs from Episode IV. And it's pretty clear in episode IV that Luke hasn't had a run-in with the Sith before either, or seen a lightsaber in action, or met Obi-Wan.

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Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
« Reply #61 on: June 25, 2022, 04:58:16 PM »
It's Saturday, spoilers are now allowed.
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Oh, look! A completely unconvincing starship chase. Where have I seen that before?

It's especially bad because the opening of Star Wars Episode IV did the same scene so much better. Both in cinematography, and in music, and in just overall believability.

Remember when star destroyers were fast, and could shoot straight? And were equipped with tractor beams and fighters?

I did kinda like the shuttle Obi-wan took off in. Having the engines tuck into the fuselage once it landed was neat, and made sense. 

I also liked the scene where Owen and Beru talk about defending their home.

I like Haja Estree, the fake Jedi with a heart of gold. At first glance, pretending to be a Jedi seems like a suicidally bad idea in a universe run by the Empire. But if the powers that be know you're a fake, and don't just shoot you on sight, then it just might let you attract the attention of any real Jedi, and hustle them along the underground railroad before the Empire spots them. It's probably not going to be a long career, but if you want to be a hero...

Not a super big fan of the showdown between Kenobi and Vader. Kenobi gets buried alive, then a couple minutes later he's back and all of a sudden he's ten times stronger. The shot of Anakin staring out of Vader's helmet is a good one, but Star Wars Rebels did it first and better. 

What I really don't like is how the show stomps all over Star Wars continuity. It seems clear in Episode IV that Kenobi and Vader haven't faced each other before. Even the dialog between them robs from Episode IV. And it's pretty clear in episode IV that Luke hasn't had a run-in with the Sith before either, or seen a lightsaber in action, or met Obi-Wan.

I'm going to disagree on your last point, as both Luke and Ben recognize each other by sight in Episode 4.  But the rest of the criticisms hold.  Plus, since when was Aunt Beru a badass? Owen must be meek, so that a stronk womyn can show him the way.  Disney just destroys everything it touches.  The Mandalorian was pretty good, but I don't hold out any hope that it won't be obnoxiously woke-ified in its next season, either...

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Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
« Reply #62 on: June 25, 2022, 06:19:35 PM »
Apparently evasive manuevers here just means veering back and forth but making sure to stay right in front of your pursuer. Maybe this is the Star Wars take on Equilibrium's "the safest place in the room is standing in the open right in the middle of it..."

Also, if a Star Destroyer can't take out a single non-military ship at point blank range (it seemed really close), then what the fuck can it do with it's guns?

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« Reply #63 on: June 25, 2022, 08:04:44 PM »
The series felt to me like a movie that was stretched out into a 6 episode series.
I think the lamest bit to me was little princess getting kidnapped from the Organa grounds and they call on Kenobi to get her back? Really? He's on another planet and he's a hunted fugitive, it felt so forced.
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Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
« Reply #64 on: June 25, 2022, 08:53:07 PM »
The series felt to me like a movie that was stretched out into a 6 episode series.
I think the lamest bit to me was little princess getting kidnapped from the Organa grounds and they call on Kenobi to get her back? Really? He's on another planet and he's a hunted fugitive, it felt so forced.

Considering too that he's an Imperial Senator and rules a planet, you'd think he might have some operatives he could call on through his own position, but no.

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Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
« Reply #65 on: June 25, 2022, 11:45:48 PM »
Also, if a Star Destroyer can't take out a single non-military ship at point blank range (it seemed really close), then what the fuck can it do with it's guns?

This is the longterm effect of leaning on the trappings. Storm Troopers don't have a high bodycount in the OT but they where by and large treated seriously. The Eworks are an exception, but even they don't succeed in a bloodless route (from what I remember). But because 'Lol aim bad' is all that is remembered, now they are all jokes.

Similar deal with Star Destroyers now as well.

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Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
« Reply #66 on: June 26, 2022, 10:31:04 AM »
I think the lamest bit to me was little princess getting kidnapped from the Organa grounds and they call on Kenobi to get her back? Really? He's on another planet and he's a hunted fugitive, it felt so forced.

I think the key here is that Leia was quickly taken off-planet. Alderaan is a peaceful planet, Leia even says it in Episode IV, and it seems to be true. The palace guards appear to be largely ceremonial, and are basically mall cops. Alderaan's space fleet is probably more Coast Guard and diplomacy than Navy Seals. They probably aren't set up to project military power, and I would guess their government would not support a military response.

Baal Organa might also have to keep his actions under the table to avoid ruffling the feathers of pacifists in the aristocracy.

Plus, Obi-Wan is the person who brought Leia to the Organa family in the first place. He's already involved.

It is also possible that this crisis is what prompts Baal Organa to begin quietly putting together a private army, that eventually becomes part of the Rebellion.
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Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
« Reply #67 on: June 27, 2022, 08:45:37 AM »
I think the lamest bit to me was little princess getting kidnapped from the Organa grounds and they call on Kenobi to get her back? Really? He's on another planet and he's a hunted fugitive, it felt so forced.

I think the key here is that Leia was quickly taken off-planet. Alderaan is a peaceful planet, Leia even says it in Episode IV, and it seems to be true. The palace guards appear to be largely ceremonial, and are basically mall cops. Alderaan's space fleet is probably more Coast Guard and diplomacy than Navy Seals. They probably aren't set up to project military power, and I would guess their government would not support a military response.

Baal Organa might also have to keep his actions under the table to avoid ruffling the feathers of pacifists in the aristocracy.

Plus, Obi-Wan is the person who brought Leia to the Organa family in the first place. He's already involved.

It is also possible that this crisis is what prompts Baal Organa to begin quietly putting together a private army, that eventually becomes part of the Rebellion.
Supposedly he was already starting to do that. There's a bit in Episode 3 where Padme tells him basically 'switch to plan B' and Bail's reaction is 'that'll take twenty years'. The implication is that she told him to start laying groundwork right then to start the rebellion.

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Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
« Reply #68 on: June 27, 2022, 08:28:08 PM »
If I had to guess, she will wind up redeemed by the end of the series and possibly get her own spinoff.

I’d love to take credit for this guess but it was SO predictable it would have been like me guessing the sun will rise tomorrow.

I liked the ending. Show was overall, again, better than Boba Fett and not as good as The Mandalorian.