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Re: Dune
« Reply #30 on: November 11, 2021, 12:09:51 AM »
Dune was good. I would have liked V's production values with the Lynch movie's dialog. Sadly, the most memorable line was Duncan Idabro quipping about Paul's lack of muscles. But there were a few things I didn't understand:

Why was the Baron taking a bath in crude oil?

Did Piter even have any speaking lines?

What was up with the Sardukar guy chanting, and the prisoners (?) hanging upside down?

If only Herbert had created a musical instrument in the books, and one of the main characters was an expert playing it. That would have been cool to see. I guess an NPC playing the bagpipes will work.

Imagery. Same as the bizzare "pet" the Baron had. I can't fault Villenue for going that route. Dune is a pretty funky setting*, and having a healing oil bath, or throat singing Saurdaurkar is way better than inventing "Wierding modules" and having people shoot words that blow stuff up. (Lynch Dune ref, for anyone who hasn't seen the 80's film)

*And gets funkier as the series goes on. I can't wait to see Axlotl tanks on the big screen.
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Re: Dune
« Reply #31 on: November 11, 2021, 11:19:36 PM »
Did the Sardukar throat singing have any tactical value, like the Atredies sign language? That would be rather intimidating to see hundreds of Sadukar going into battle chanting that stuff.

Weirding modules, heart plugs... LOL. Weird excess. But I did like the purple juice Piter drank, and the littany.

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Re: Dune
« Reply #32 on: November 12, 2021, 08:20:33 AM »
Did the Sardukar throat singing have any tactical value, like the Atredies sign language? That would be rather intimidating to see hundreds of Sadukar going into battle chanting that stuff.

Weirding modules, heart plugs... LOL. Weird excess. But I did like the purple juice Piter drank, and the littany.
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Re: Dune
« Reply #33 on: November 12, 2021, 10:41:03 AM »
I saw Dune Monday night with some friends. It was pretty and competently done, and stayed reasonably true to the book -- but I didn't think it worked well as a movie, and there was a lot of stuff that didn't work well - especially the constant whispering and wacky vision montages to represent Paul's precognition.
Oh shit! They did the whispering?  Didn’t they learn anything from the 80’s version of Dune?

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« Reply #34 on: November 13, 2021, 05:14:15 PM »
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Did the Sardukar throat singing have any tactical value, like the Atredies sign language? That would be rather intimidating to see hundreds of Sadukar going into battle chanting that stuff.

I think those were religious/ritual chants used in disciplinary excercise or some sort of prayer. I think it was meant to be Chakobsa but they invented it from cloth it seems.
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« Reply #35 on: November 13, 2021, 05:15:02 PM »
Of course as a Polish I'm terribly dissapointed that characters in Dune does not speak Ponglish (Galach - Common Tongue of Known Universe is descrived in-verse as Inglo-Slavic)
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Re: Dune
« Reply #36 on: November 13, 2021, 06:48:58 PM »
Did the Sardukar throat singing have any tactical value, like the Atredies sign language? That would be rather intimidating to see hundreds of Sadukar going into battle chanting that stuff.

Weirding modules, heart plugs... LOL. Weird excess. But I did like the purple juice Piter drank, and the littany.
The litany is made up whole cloth, but Piter's tipple is sapho juice, a common Mentat pick-me-up. Habitual users develop stains on their lips.

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Re: Dune
« Reply #37 on: November 21, 2021, 10:04:29 AM »
Finally watched Dune as today is the last day it will be on HBO Max for awhile. I was surprised that I thought the Paul actor did a decent job although I'm not sure about Jessica. The actress played her as a nervous wreck which I'm not sure was how she was portrayed in the books. She bounced back and forth from inept to hyper-competent a bit to much. The wokification of the Fremen was annoying but I knew that was the case going in.

I now see why so many people say the movie was boring. It was a case of too much foreshadowing. First, they have Paul with a vision where everyone dies, then they have a (pointless) scene where Drax talks to Baron von Kingpin and it's revealed that it's a trap, then they're a scene where the Bene Gesserat betray Atreides and make a point that Jessica and Paul will survive, then there's another pointless scene where they recruit the Sardukar, and finally the Duke says, "I wish I had more time". He's dead the very next scene. His death holds no impact because we all knew it was coming for hours by the time it actually happens.

I've seen movies where the trailer spoils the ending but, in this case, the movie is just spoiling itself over and over again. Anyone paying attention knows that everyone will die and only Paul and Jessica survive which takes up the first two hours of the movie. Leaving only the last 30 minutes for new surprises.

The ending wasn't bad IMO. Although Chani saying "this is only the beginning" came out of nowhere and made no sense given the way her character had been presented up to that point.

Was the term "Desert Power" in the book? it seemed so cheesy.


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Re: Dune
« Reply #38 on: November 21, 2021, 10:23:50 AM »
Finally watched Dune as today is the last day it will be on HBO Max for awhile. I was surprised that I thought the Paul actor did a decent job although I'm not sure about Jessica. The actress played her as a nervous wreck which I'm not sure was how she was portrayed in the books. She bounced back and forth from inept to hyper-competent a bit to much. The wokification of the Fremen was annoying but I knew that was the case going in.

I now see why so many people say the movie was boring. It was a case of too much foreshadowing. First, they have Paul with a vision where everyone dies, then they have a (pointless) scene where Drax talks to Baron von Kingpin and it's revealed that it's a trap, then they're a scene where the Bene Gesserat betray Atreides and make a point that Jessica and Paul will survive, then there's another pointless scene where they recruit the Sardukar, and finally the Duke says, "I wish I had more time". He's dead the very next scene. His death holds no impact because we all knew it was coming for hours by the time it actually happens.

I've seen movies where the trailer spoils the ending but, in this case, the movie is just spoiling itself over and over again. Anyone paying attention knows that everyone will die and only Paul and Jessica survive which takes up the first two hours of the movie. Leaving only the last 30 minutes for new surprises.

The ending wasn't bad IMO. Although Chani saying "this is only the beginning" came out of nowhere and made no sense given the way her character had been presented up to that point.

Was the term "Desert Power" in the book? it seemed so cheesy.
Wait, did they write out Dr. Yueh? Jesus Christ.

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Re: Dune
« Reply #39 on: November 21, 2021, 10:50:59 AM »

Was the term "Desert Power" in the book? it seemed so cheesy.

Yes it was.

Wait, did they write out Dr. Yueh? Jesus Christ.

No they didn't, he's in the movie, it's just that hedgehobbit's rant is not very good as an actual review.
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Re: Dune
« Reply #40 on: November 21, 2021, 11:11:37 AM »
Wait, did they write out Dr. Yueh?

I didn't mention him because his betrayal is one of the few legitimate surprises in the whole movie. And is an example of what could have worked if used earlier in the movie; showing the betrayal and then explaining why the betrayal happened afterwards. But it's immediately followed by another instance of the original problem in that the Duke's second death is just as telegraphed as his first.
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« Reply #41 on: November 21, 2021, 05:00:24 PM »
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I now see why so many people say the movie was boring. It was a case of too much foreshadowing. First, they have Paul with a vision where everyone dies, then they have a (pointless) scene where Drax talks to Baron von Kingpin and it's revealed that it's a trap, then they're a scene where the Bene Gesserat betray Atreides and make a point that Jessica and Paul will survive, then there's another pointless scene where they recruit the Sardukar, and finally the Duke says, "I wish I had more time". He's dead the very next scene. His death holds no impact because we all knew it was coming for hours by the time it actually happens.

In Book - you've got meeting between Vladimir Harkonnen, Piter de Vries and Feyd-Rautha in SECOND CHAPTER - where they explain whole plot against Atreides, plot that is fullfilled later in novel like perfectly aside of Paul and Jessica escape. So... you know - this is novel thing. Everyone knows it's coming. No sudden surprises but inevitability of fate is important, and if modern audience demands thrills over depression, then to hell with modern audience.
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