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Author Topic: The first Amazon’s “The Woke of the Ring” pictures drop  (Read 10514 times)

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The first Amazon’s “The Woke of the Ring” pictures drop
« on: February 11, 2022, 05:25:19 PM »
…And it is not a pretty sight.

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2022/02/amazon-the-rings-of-power-series-first-look

This is the unbelievable direct quote from the show’s creators:

“Can we come up with the novel Tolkien never wrote and do it as the mega-event series that could only happen now?”

Well… yes, you can: just don’t call it “The Lord of the Rings” and set it in a world of your own creation. Because, make no mistake: I would be happy to check out a show within these characters. I have nothing against a Elven Joan of Arc - she has the potential to be as cool as fuck, just don’t call her Galadriel.

Elrond is simply not Elrond, and I’m not talking only about the actor: the very description of the character has nothing to do with the original character.

Black elves, black dwarves women without beard… the whole enchilada.

They knew so well how Tolkien’s fans would have reacted that they trotted out the usual mantras (“Toxic fans, misogynistic viewers, literally the Hitlerjugend…”) before the readers could even overcome the shock and comment.

At the end it is always the same story: they want to do the “show for contemporary sensibilities” but they are scared by the idea of letting go of the BIG NAME and come up with their own franchise. Lovecraft, Star Wars, Foundation… Every time the fiasco has been hard. Be ready for “The small percentage of toxic fans that in the millions guaranteed the sinking of this dreck” too.
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Re: The first Amazon’s “The Woke of the Ring” pictures drop
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2022, 06:03:35 PM »
At the end it is always the same story: they want to do the “show for contemporary sensibilities” but they are scared by the idea of letting go of the BIG NAME and come up with their own franchise.
This comes from a profound misunderstanding of SJW principles. SJWs have a 'we wuz robbed' view of the world and history. In their mind, Tolkien being loved came at the expense of a rightful love of a black ladies series of books, that should have existed. LotR's is a USERPER from the rightful way history should have been.
They see it as righting a historical wrong. Adding all the black ladies that SHOULD have been there. They are in fact the rightful owners of that property, and are fixing it.

The wrong will not have been fixed until LotR is forgotten and 'Trans of the Shlongs' is #1. Either LoTRs is tarnished, and thats a win, or LotR becomes TotS, another win.

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Re: The first Amazon’s “The Woke of the Ring” pictures drop
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2022, 06:27:22 PM »
I had a zen moment during one of the Hobbit movies where they were talking about fish politics, and my brain broke. I suddenly let go of caring about these adaptations and said to myself "Why not?"

Genderswap and race swap* all the characters. I don't care. Put robots and cybernetics and a few motorcycles in there for good measure.

Why not?

*Gender and race swapping doesn't bother me. The woke mania about race and gender does.
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Re: The first Amazon’s “The Woke of the Ring” pictures drop
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2022, 11:49:45 AM »
   Spending that kind of money on something that out of gate snubs millions and millions of fans lets me know agenda first, business a distant second.  I get that JJ Abrams clones really want to "make their mark", but maybe, just maybe...start with lots of lower budget projects and PRODUCE SOMETHING GOOD OF YOUR OWN first? 

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Re: The first Amazon’s “The Woke of the Ring” pictures drop
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2022, 01:18:51 PM »
At the end it is always the same story: they want to do the “show for contemporary sensibilities” but they are scared by the idea of letting go of the BIG NAME and come up with their own franchise.
This comes from a profound misunderstanding of SJW principles. SJWs have a 'we wuz robbed' view of the world and history. In their mind, Tolkien being loved came at the expense of a rightful love of a black ladies series of books, that should have existed. LotR's is a USERPER from the rightful way history should have been.
They see it as righting a historical wrong. Adding all the black ladies that SHOULD have been there. They are in fact the rightful owners of that property, and are fixing it.

The wrong will not have been fixed until LotR is forgotten and 'Trans of the Shlongs' is #1. Either LoTRs is tarnished, and thats a win, or LotR becomes TotS, another win.

Pretty much. Not to mention that actually creating a new property, as opposed to stealing taking an existing one "back" for the people and "sUbVeRtInG" it, takes creative talent and dedication.

The fact that people are even discussing this is already a "win" for them, because causing "discomfort" in presumed "white people" is primarily what this is all about, and taking delight in that discomfort is all the pleasure they really want to get out of this series. This isn't about creating a “show for contemporary sensibilities”, but destroying an existing franchise in order to push a political agenda NO ONE enjoys, themselves included (they just enjoy pissing in other people's cereal).

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Re: The first Amazon’s “The Woke of the Ring” pictures drop
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2022, 02:07:54 PM »
   Spending that kind of money on something that out of gate snubs millions and millions of fans lets me know agenda first, business a distant second.  I get that JJ Abrams clones really want to "make their mark", but maybe, just maybe...start with lots of lower budget projects and PRODUCE SOMETHING GOOD OF YOUR OWN first?
Sometimes doing things "business first" still produces shit, even if that shit sells. They want to try a new take on it, and I'll give then the benefit of the doubt until I actually see it. Once I see it though, I won't be giving it praise just for diversity...it will need to be entertaining.

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Re: The first Amazon’s “The Woke of the Ring” pictures drop
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2022, 02:48:08 PM »
   Spending that kind of money on something that out of gate snubs millions and millions of fans lets me know agenda first, business a distant second.  I get that JJ Abrams clones really want to "make their mark", but maybe, just maybe...start with lots of lower budget projects and PRODUCE SOMETHING GOOD OF YOUR OWN first?
Sometimes doing things "business first" still produces shit, even if that shit sells. They want to try a new take on it, and I'll give then the benefit of the doubt until I actually see it. Once I see it though, I won't be giving it praise just for diversity...it will need to be entertaining.

  I hope you enjoy it. 

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Re: The first Amazon’s “The Woke of the Ring” pictures drop
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2022, 03:44:47 PM »
   Spending that kind of money on something that out of gate snubs millions and millions of fans lets me know agenda first, business a distant second.  I get that JJ Abrams clones really want to "make their mark", but maybe, just maybe...start with lots of lower budget projects and PRODUCE SOMETHING GOOD OF YOUR OWN first?
Sometimes doing things "business first" still produces shit, even if that shit sells. They want to try a new take on it, and I'll give then the benefit of the doubt until I actually see it. Once I see it though, I won't be giving it praise just for diversity...it will need to be entertaining.

  I hope you enjoy it.
We can all hope, but I don't have high expectations for it, especially after seeing their Wheel of Time.

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Re: The first Amazon’s “The Woke of the Ring” pictures drop
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2022, 03:52:30 PM »
They seriously couldn't make a television show about Khamûl? I know Khamul was a villain, but you could've made him a super sympathetic misunderstood hero who just happened to have been seduced by Sauron and turned into an undead monstrosity. We know absolutely nothing about him in canon besides his name and general region of origin, so writers would have basically free reign to describe his character however they wanted. Want to make him a homosexual in a homophobic society who joined Sauron because Sauron promised to legalize gay marriage? You could write that and Tolkien fans couldn't argue it wasn't true to the canon because Tolkien never wrote about his backstory.

Or the Blue Wizards, who actually ventured into the South and East and convinced the Southrons and Easterlings to revolt against Sauron? If they hadn't done that, then the Southrons and Easterlings would have conquered Middle Earth all by themselves even after Sauron lost. You could make a series about their adventures and cast an entirely non-white cast. The Blue Wizards could easily be played by non-white actors, because it makes sense they would assume the forms of the people of the regions they're visiting. You could even cast them as women of color and I think most Tolkien fans would just accept the gender change with only a minimum of complaining. They were supposedly male, but it's not like that matters given the general lack of info on them.

And fans would probably rejoice.

You could have black Eastern dwarves by casting black albino actors, which would also provide albino representation and jobs for black albinos. And honestly I doubt people would complain if there were Asian and African featured elves living in the South and East. Maybe they always looked like that, maybe they're half-elves who inherited the looks of their human ancestors. You could even have anti-white racism coming from these non-white elves who use the whole "white elves were a beta test, non-white humans are God's final plan" as a rationale for their racism.

See? It's not really hard to show the diversity that could already exist in Arda without spiting the canon.

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Re: The first Amazon’s “The Woke of the Ring” pictures drop
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2022, 04:04:20 PM »
They want to try a new take on it.

The take is just disrespectful to the source material. If the Ghost of Tolkien manifested and said 'This is not how I want it done' that producers would disown the man and his work in turn, not apologize. The new take is informed by agenda and bais.

Otherwise I agree that wokeness sells to some idiots sometimes.

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Re: The first Amazon’s “The Woke of the Ring” pictures drop
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2022, 04:19:58 PM »
They want to try a new take on it.

The take is just disrespectful to the source material. If the Ghost of Tolkien manifested and said 'This is not how I want it done' that producers would disown the man and his work in turn, not apologize. The new take is informed by agenda and bais.

Otherwise I agree that wokeness sells to some idiots sometimes.
Neither the source material nor Tolkien's ghost have voiced any complaints. However, you seem to be getting quite outraged on their behalf...you Woke, bro?

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Re: The first Amazon’s “The Woke of the Ring” pictures drop
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2022, 05:51:48 PM »
I for one I'm glad that they're raping this IP, cuz 1) This isn't my first rodeo and I already knew that it was gonna happen years ago when they first announced this series, so it's not like it caught me by surprise, 2) people are pissed enough about this kind of crap by this point that it could actually work against them and lose Amazon money in the long run. And as a former left-winger who used to be "left-wing" for REAL left-wing reasons, such I hating corporations, the prospect of corporations wasting money on failed productions is music to my ears.

Plus this is an added reminder to regular people how this is a pointless ideology with nothing to offer but empty political propaganda and death to everything they love. So I rest easy with the knowledge that these are (could be?) the death throes of a dying movement, desperately trying to assert their cultural dominance, even as the masses mock and reject them with dumbfound amusement.

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Re: The first Amazon’s “The Woke of the Ring” pictures drop
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2022, 06:45:56 PM »
Neither the source material nor Tolkien's ghost have voiced any complaints. However, you seem to be getting quite outraged on their behalf...you Woke, bro?
Oh right, you like to argue in bad faith. Carry on.

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Re: The first Amazon’s “The Woke of the Ring” pictures drop
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2022, 07:32:09 PM »
Neither the source material nor Tolkien's ghost have voiced any complaints. However, you seem to be getting quite outraged on their behalf...you Woke, bro?
Oh right, you like to argue in bad faith. Carry on.
You think I'm arguing? Nope. I'm just making the observation that your response here is the same as those you despise. If you're OK with that, carry on with your Woke self.

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Re: The first Amazon’s “The Woke of the Ring” pictures drop
« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2022, 07:38:26 PM »
You would have to work very hard and very deliberately to make images and text as FUCKING IMBECILIC as what they're presenting.

Good.

I believe the phrase is...ACCELERATE.