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« Reply #30 on: January 04, 2010, 10:58:34 AM »
Finished it last night. Ugh. Uuugggh. That was not good. Bring on Moffat!

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« Reply #31 on: January 04, 2010, 11:59:19 AM »
I hope the next round will be a bit more optimistic and less Earth centered.
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« Reply #32 on: January 04, 2010, 12:25:27 PM »
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I hope the next round will be a bit more optimistic and less Earth centered.


If I recall correctly, Moffat wants to do more in Earth's past.

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« Reply #33 on: January 04, 2010, 12:39:57 PM »
It was interesting and I do like Tennant, but the finale got a bit too depressing at the end.  Of course that did make it a breath of fresh air when the new doctor appeared so maybe that was the plan after all.

On another note, I liked all of the crashed ships on the homeworld but I never realized that the other Time Lords were such tools.  Timothy Dalton in particular (that funky gauntlet of his took too much recharge time BTW).  

I did think it was an interesting contrast between Dalton and the Doctor on the issue of life.  They both knew their time was running out and were trying to avoid their fates, but Dalton and the other Time Lords refused to die and were willing to destroy all life in the Universe to save themselves, while the Doctor could have let one man, Wilf, die to save his life but couldn't make that choice.

I thought that was good writing actually.
 

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« Reply #34 on: January 04, 2010, 10:28:19 PM »
So, just finished catching up on my DVR shows, and this was the last bit. Being new-ish to Dr. Who (haven't really watched it prior to the 2005 season), a question:

Are the Time Lords on Gallifrey supposed to be such colossal asses? I kinda got the impression that they weren't such bad folks, just got into a war with forces they couldn't beat, and were sealed off in a pocket dimension or somesuch. Instead, we learn that their leader (at least) fucked with an 8-year-old kid which led to the Master and all his depredations, and also wanted to end the universe so they could live forever... huh. To be honest, in many of the episodes it seems there is a not-so-subtle undercurrent of "Time Lords are asses, even the Doctor not too far below the surface". Makes me wonder if Davies actually even LIKED Dr. Who...

Also, while parts of the last few episodes were kinda hokey (which I get is part of the style of the series), there were several parts where I kinda got misty-eyed. As someone said, maybe here, seems that Davies has a really solid grasp of "moments", not so much on overall arcs.
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« Reply #35 on: January 05, 2010, 10:34:18 AM »
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So, just finished catching up on my DVR shows, and this was the last bit. Being new-ish to Dr. Who (haven't really watched it prior to the 2005 season), a question:

Are the Time Lords on Gallifrey supposed to be such colossal asses? I kinda got the impression that they weren't such bad folks, just got into a war with forces they couldn't beat, and were sealed off in a pocket dimension or somesuch. Instead, we learn that their leader (at least) fucked with an 8-year-old kid which led to the Master and all his depredations, and also wanted to end the universe so they could live forever... huh. To be honest, in many of the episodes it seems there is a not-so-subtle undercurrent of "Time Lords are asses, even the Doctor not too far below the surface". Makes me wonder if Davies actually even LIKED Dr. Who...

Also, while parts of the last few episodes were kinda hokey (which I get is part of the style of the series), there were several parts where I kinda got misty-eyed. As someone said, maybe here, seems that Davies has a really solid grasp of "moments", not so much on overall arcs.


It seemed to me at least that Davies was deliberately trying to take away the image of the Time Lords as the universal good guys.  I remember one episode from the old series where the Time Lords had to deliberate a long time in order to make the decision to send the Doctor back in time to try to keep the Dalek's from being created.  They only did it after the Daleks terrorized the entire universe.  It was suggested that the Time Lords had self-imposed rules to keep them from meddling too much and that this was a momentus departure from those rules.

As the Doctor said to Wilf during the final episode, he spoke of the Time Lords as benevolent because he wants to remember them that way, but in reality they got changed by the war into something as bad or worse than their enemies.  I suppose that does kind of explain the Doctor's extreme pacifism in some cases, and the hostile reaction he gets from some people when they find out he is a Time Lord.  Personally, good story or not, I actually miss the old Time Lords that weren't colossal asses.
 

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« Reply #36 on: January 05, 2010, 11:08:33 PM »
Time Lords didn't turn into universal dicks until this run - like Tennant says, toward the end of the Time War.  Previously, the species contained plenty of individual douchebags, but on the whole, they were remote and aloof...y'know, Time Lords.

If Moffat does more historicals I will be very very pleased.  And if he cranks up the horror factor, as in 'Blink'?  Extremely pleased.

Alex Kingston will indeed be back as River Song during Smith's run - there were production photos involving her recently.

Maybe they can get McGann to step up for a 'two doctors' ep this series?  Give him another shot at some screen time?
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« Reply #37 on: January 05, 2010, 11:52:28 PM »
It might be fun to see the four most recent guys together. One of things I liked about the old specials was the mutual disdain the versions showed for one another.

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« Reply #38 on: January 06, 2010, 12:12:56 AM »
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One of things I liked about the old specials was the mutual disdain the versions showed for one another.
I imagine, for them, it's like seeing old photographs of yourself from high school, college, etc.  "Shit, I used to wear that?"

"Time Crash", with the meeting of the 5th and 10th Doctors worked pretty well.  While the 10th alternately gushed over and mocked the 5th, the 5th's response to the 10th was "Oh, no!  You're a...fan!"

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« Reply #39 on: January 06, 2010, 04:55:27 AM »
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Time Lords didn't turn into universal dicks until this run - like Tennant says, toward the end of the Time War.  Previously, the species contained plenty of individual douchebags, but on the whole, they were remote and aloof...y'know, Time Lords.

If Moffat does more historicals I will be very very pleased.  And if he cranks up the horror factor, as in 'Blink'?  Extremely pleased.

Alex Kingston will indeed be back as River Song during Smith's run - there were production photos involving her recently.

Maybe they can get McGann to step up for a 'two doctors' ep this series?  Give him another shot at some screen time?
it's not really that the timelords were dicks, it's the way they were utterly hosed. the timelords ffs! A rubbish plot device disposed of even more so. The blatant disregard for the Whoniverse I can live with, but to write such a dire story as a thinly disguised 'hey everyone I'm leaving' is just poor television. Just poor all round. I sincerely hope things improve, although the silly speculation on rpg.net about who the various non entities in that dire story are very amusing. Just goes to further demonstrate Davies' lack of ability to write this kind of tv.
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« Reply #40 on: January 06, 2010, 10:35:39 PM »
For the record, the Tennant-finale was spectacular, I'm very optimistic about Moffat and Smith (though The Wench, for whom Tennant was her first doctor, definitely isn't), and as to some of the other things discussed here:

- up till now, generally each Davies season had ONE historical earth episode. I wouldn't mind seeing more episodes in earth's past, and more in earth's future or other worlds too.

-The Time Lords were always asses. At their very best, they were totally neutral non-interfering watchers who refused to do good; at best. In most classic-series episodes where we saw them, they were usually breaking their own rules, manipulating the doctor, and often causing secret fuckups they were desperate to cover up or murdering each other for the presidency.

-As far as the Time Lords, Moffat has gone on record that he doesn't like them, and doesn't want them around, so don't expect them in his run.

-As for multiple-doctor stories, Davies had said he hated these, and didn't want them, though clearly he relented for the Time Crash short. Its interesting to note that it was Moffat who wrote Time Crash, so hopefully he has a different opinion on Multiple Doctor stories; and yes, it would be cool to see pretty well any past doctor again (though frankly, it should probably be at least two seasons before they even think of bringing Tennant back to visit, to give Smith time to build up his own value as a character). Eccleston is not a big Who fan, so I don't know if he'd be willing to come back; Mcgann on the other hand is apparently a big Who fan, and would be likely very willing to come back.

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« Reply #41 on: January 06, 2010, 10:42:00 PM »
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« Reply #43 on: January 07, 2010, 01:03:13 PM »
Koltar's right about the Obama thing, it didn't work.  That and all the folk in the UK waiting for Obama to make a speech that would save the world?  WTF?

References to Mr President, or The American President, or whatever would have worked just fine.

Koltar, did you enjoy it in the end?  It wasn't me, too much wedged in there, too silly and self-indulgent, but what about you?

Oh, a lot of folk would have liked Wilf as a companion I think.

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« Reply #44 on: January 07, 2010, 02:00:32 PM »
Balbinus,

 Oh Yes - thought I said in this thread or the other one I really LIKED the finale of Tennants version of the Doctor.

It had nothing to do with politics what I said about the Obama scenes - it just didn't feel right for them to break their own pattern. Wasn't just a breaking of the 4th wall it was very much a WTF? moment or two.

The scenes with the master involved could have been done with a fictional generic President - like they had in earlier seasons. If they wanted to show there had been a change in administration - just cast a black actor to show things went a similiar way in the parallel universe of the Doctor/Torchwood.

All the Wilf stuff I loved.

That actor really livened up things.

Its kind of amusing that to perk things up you gotta cast an 80 year old character actor who has a good sense of humor. (also darn good dramatic chops)

David Tennant did a damn good job, whether you like the writing of Davies or not, Tennent made the Doctor his own over the past 4 years and helpe to re-popularize DOCTOR WHO.


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